What’s really holding you back from stepping into your purpose? In this powerful episode of Taboo Talk with Sarah, I sit down with Debbie Prediger, empowerment leader, strategist, and founder of Empowering You, to dive deep into limiting beliefs, self-trust, and visibility. Debbie shares how fears, doubts, and the stories we tell ourselves keep us small—and how learning to trust our own voice, embrace visibility, and surround ourselves with the right people can be life-changing. If you’ve ever felt stuck, unsure, or like you’re waiting for permission to step into who you truly are, this episode will give you the push you need. 💜 You are worthy, your voice matters, and it’s time to show up for yourself.
✔️ Breaking Through Limiting Beliefs – The #1 belief that holds people back and how to rewrite that story
✔️ Trusting Your Own Intuition – Why we ignore our inner voice and how to start listening again
✔️ Overcoming Fear & Resistance – The nervous system’s role in keeping us “safe” and how to move forward anyway
✔️ The Power of Community & Collaboration – Why who you surround yourself with matters
✔️ Embracing Visibility & Owning Your Story – Why we fear being seen and how to overcome it
🗣️ “If you have the ability to help, then you probably should.”
🗣️ “Fear can either mean ‘Forget Everything and Run’ or ‘Face Everything and Rise.’ Which will you choose?”
🗣️ “The stories we tell ourselves shape our reality. It’s time to rewrite them.”
⏱ 00:00 – Welcome & Introduction to Debbie Prediger
⏱ 05:30 – The Biggest Limiting Belief That Keeps Us Stuck
⏱ 12:45 – Trusting Your Intuition & Recognizing Self-Doubt Patterns
⏱ 18:10 – How Fear & the Nervous System Hold Us Back
⏱ 22:35 – The Role of Community in Breaking Through Blocks
⏱ 28:50 – Visibility & Why So Many Women Struggle With Being Seen
⏱ 33:20 – Final Thoughts: Your Story Matters
✔️ Empowering You – Debbie’s community helping people break free from self-doubt & step into their purpose
✔️ LA Tribune Women’s Journal – Debbie’s work amplifying women’s voices
✔️ The Visibility Challenge – Helping people overcome fear & show up with confidence
✔️ Mental Health & Self-Worth – The role of self-care & inner work in stepping into visibility
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Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:01) Hey everybody, welcome back to Taboo Talk with Sarah, where we break the silence, foster hope and tackle the tough stuff so you never have to feel alone. If you're new here, I'm your host, Sarah Jordan Ross. I'm a wife, I'm a mum to three amazing boys, and I've spent the last 25 years or so in the health and wellness space as a massage therapist, wellness coach, and advocate for real meaningful conversations because I believe that's where healing can start.
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The link is in the show notes or shoot me a message because I always love to talk about what's working for me and my family and help others find their way to wellness. So in the last episode, we talked about something that's really close to my heart, breaking free from chronic stress and reconnecting with our natural rhythms. I shared how many of us are living constantly in fight or flight mode to the point that we don't even realize
how much it's affecting us. Our stress-filled lives have disrupted our natural rhythms, our sleep, our energy levels, our ability to rest and recover. And when we live like that for too long, it takes a big toll on our mental, emotional, and physical health. If you missed that episode, go back and give it a listen. But I will say I was a little caught up in a stress cycle myself, so you might notice that, you might not.
But today we're taking that theme of learning how to reset, recharge and get back into balance even further, but in a slightly different way. My guest today is Debbie Prediger. Now I first connected with Debbie through the Be Extraordinary network and I have been so inspired by her work ever since that I tuned into her visibility challenge. I'm part of her empowering new group.
And what I love most about her is that she's always helping people step into their power and share their voice with confidence. She's an empowerment leader, a strategist who helps bridge the gap between where you are now and where you want to be. She's the founder of Empowering You, a community and coaching space that helps people break free from limiting beliefs, trust their intuition, and take aligned action towards their purpose.
She's also a founding member of the LA Tribune's Women's Journal, where she's amplifying the voices of women and making an impact. Her mission, helping people move past fear, self-doubt and visibility struggles so they can step fully into the life and the business that they were meant to have. And that's what we're diving into today. How to break free from those limiting beliefs that keep us stuck. Trusting our intuition.
learning how to overcome fear and resistance around visibility, how community and collaboration.
play a big role in our personal and professional growth and what it really takes to step into your purpose and share your voice. Debbie's wisdom and energy are contagious and I can't wait for you to hear this conversation.
Debbie Prediger (04:35)
Well, thank you.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (04:35)
Debbie, welcome,
welcome. Thank you so much for being here.
Debbie Prediger (04:40)
Thank you so much for that beautiful introduction and I'm thrilled to be here. This is a few weeks coming and I couldn't wait for this day to arrive.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (04:51)
I'm so glad you're here. Now, I've got a few big questions for you. So you help people break through the stories they tell themselves, the ones that keep them stuck or doubting themselves, keep them playing small. What's one of the biggest limiting beliefs you see holding people back and how do you think we can shake it off?
Debbie Prediger (05:14)
Well, there's a lot of big ones, but what comes to my mind as you say that, and I'm just going to trust my own intuition, is that thought that, why me? When I talk about being extraordinary, a lot of people think that means they have to be something really big and take on the project of the world. And what I'm really saying is that it is just about listening to your own voice, your own wisdom, the stuff that comes within, and then just leaning into it. And if that's leading you
to be a leader, to step up and say, can help, then do that. Because it really is just you deciding to show up, shine your light, and lead those that are meant for you.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (05:59)
And it doesn't have to be big things either. Quite often that thing that lights our spark, it's a little whisper to start with, but we ignore those. Or we ask ourselves, yeah, exactly that why me question. me? But my answer to that one is if not you, who? And if not now, then when?
Debbie Prediger (06:25)
Absolutely, and I really just help people understand that, that they along their journey were looking to, looking for somebody, praying for somebody, wishing somebody would appear with the answers. And if you have those answers, please share them, guide somebody through what you've already been through.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (06:30)
Yeah.
Yep.
Yes, if you have the ability to help, then you probably should.
So one of the things I've learned from you and you mentioned it just a second ago, trusting your own intuition. We sent a second guess at so what do you think are some of the signs that show up that people aren't listening to their intuition?
Debbie Prediger (06:53)
It really is not simple.
Well, first and foremost, when you're avoiding your own messages that are coming through you, you're probably in overwhelm. You're probably a thinker that swirls in doubt and overwhelm and the same thoughts continue to rile through your brain. People think, I have anxiety or I have chronic thinking or I just can't figure it out. So I'll hear those kind of things. And what that's telling me is that there's a fear of trusting your own voice, your own message.
that are coming to you and through you. Intuition is a beautiful thing, but if we give our power away, we're actually grabbing your intuition and his and all sorts and pretty soon we're just confused and distracted. And I really feel that that's actually a sense of keeping ourselves safe.
if we distract ourself from what we're really hearing, what we're really being called towards as part of our purpose, we're actually like running away in fear and so that's part of the nervous system and how it helps keep us regulated.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (08:18)
Our nervous system is wired for safety and really listening to ourselves and stepping out and doing those things that we really want to do. It can be scary. sometimes our nervous system is going to go, no, let's shut that down. So how do think we can start actually stepping into that and not letting that fear rule us? Because I know I've heard several times fear can stand for a couple of things. It's either
Forget everything and run or face everything and rise.
Debbie Prediger (08:54)
Yeah. And so my belief is that any emotion, whether it be fear or joy or anything on the spectrum, is telling us something. It's guiding us towards something. We actually have to choose what is the emotion that we want to feel. And we can only do that by identifying what we truly are feeling, being honest with ourselves. Don't numb out your feelings, your emotions. They're there to guide you towards something. So,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (08:56)
So.
Debbie Prediger (09:23)
I do it by helping people understand what they're hearing, what the bully in the room is, what the fear is. And once you identify it and you face it, just like any other bully, when you name it, you're like, wow, I am scared. That does bring up a fear in my body. I feel it in these places and that associates back to another time that I felt those things, that thought, that...
that it's usually a cycle and a pattern, we just haven't identified it yet.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:56)
It's amazing what happens when we do start identifying those patterns, identifying those problems, and then we can actually do something about it. And it stops us going that round and round and round again. Sometimes we get to a point where we recognize the brick wall we're about to run into and can actually stop us doing that. But some of us have to learn our lessons the hard way.
Debbie Prediger (10:18)
Yeah.
over time and and that's what I really help people see is that it's all a growth and as long as we're being aware and then we're conscious about changing an old habit or pattern whether you know it's happening or whether you don't it's a deeper sense of empowerment when you go down that that path and then of course surrounding yourself with like-minded people so they can help you when you're in a downward spiral as well.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:48)
Yeah. And I love that you mentioned other people because you're very big on collaboration and working together and forming a community. love being part of your, extraordinary group. I see so many women in there doing incredible things. So why do you think that community is such a vital
part of growth and what we can do.
Debbie Prediger (11:20)
Well, I believe that we're all looking for connection. And connection starts with ourself. But at one point when you feel extremely lonely or all alone, you think you want connection to others. So I actually am doing two things there. I'm introducing you to extraordinary women so you can see yourself in their story. And.
building a connection because all of us will talk about a time where we didn't see ourselves, where we weren't connected to ourselves, where we weren't connected to our intuition, our true essence, and even source. And so I'm doing all of the things that I do so people can be seen and heard and valued. And that starts with you valuing you.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (12:07)
Yes, and sometimes we forget who we are in the crazy busy of everyday life. But that also brings me to your visibility challenge. seeing people, helping people to be seen and to show up for who they really are. Why do think we're so afraid of being visible, of standing out and
speaking out when we say things.
Debbie Prediger (12:39)
So we had such a great challenge. So it actually was a challenge within a challenge. So I invited nine other women to co-create this challenge with me. And every one of them is somebody that either leads a community, has a coaching program.
or a community. And what happened is they each brought their own thoughts. So I really evaluated what do you believe visibility is about because Elizabeth Kipp was somebody that she helps people through pain and maybe addiction. So there's other all sorts of ways in which people hide pain. her people, visibility meant completely a different thing than my people who are coaches that want to
be seen and somebody to buy their stuff from them. So we went into a deep conversation of what does visibility really mean and what would stop people from actually choosing to be visible. And it really comes down to safety.
if we don't feel safe in the environment in which we're showing up and speaking up and being our truth, we're going to hide. We're going to stand back in the corner and we're going to pretend we're something else. And that again can become a habit, a pattern, where if you from a little girl were told to be quiet or to be something you weren't, every time you said, really want to be a ballerina and somebody says, no, you're going to be a doctor, then you eventually
don't listen to even yourself. You don't know what you want and that's what happens is a lot of women come to me and when I ask them what's their dreams are they're like dreams? I have the ability to dream I'm just here taking care of everybody else and surviving. What about me? So this visibility challenge brought clarity and confidence, courage and a real direction of what was next. That's really what developed is people come to me and said I finally seen myself.
and thank you for seeing me too.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:46)
Because I think that's what a lot of us are looking for without even realizing that that's what we're looking for is to be seen, be heard, to be understood. And in turn, when we are those things, that's when we feel loved, that's when we feel connected, and that's when we can actually shine and be who we really are. And sometimes it's that somewhere along the way, like he said,
I want to be a ballerina. No, that's a dream for somebody else. We get that all the time and we squash all that down and sometimes we forget that we even had those dreams. So it was great that the Visibility Challenge helped to bring those back to the surface and it's okay to step out of your comfort zone and do something different if that's what makes your heart sing.
Debbie Prediger (15:45)
Wow.
I love hearing you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:46)
Thank you.
Debbie Prediger (15:46)
reflect that back. You're welcome. I love hearing you reflect that back because there's been so many of us amazing coaches, thought leaders that were put into a box and then that box just felt constricting and there was something missing and unfulfilling and all of that stuff and you can have all the success in the world but if you aren't truly aligned to yourself and your mission and your purpose and if you've forgotten what that possibly is, it's
sad.
So what this did is it's another way of ramping up your dreams. So somebody I've done courses throughout the years dare to dream. And for somebody that didn't even know that they weren't dreaming, maybe that doesn't resonate. Maybe visibility is going to resonate for some people and that won't. So there's all ways in which we can bring our message. But truly, when the nine of us got together and co-created this, we realized every one of our courses, programs, retreats.
they're all saying the same thing. Stand up, show up, be who you are, know who you are, and just embrace that. Stand in your power.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:56)
that and then taking those steps to notice when you aren't doing that and making those steps forward so if somebody's listening and they're feeling completely stuck they're saying it's great to say show up in my power and be who I am but if they aren't ready yet aren't on that yet they're just feeling stuck
whether it's in their life, in their business, or even just with the mindset stuff. And sometimes the mindset is the biggest challenge. What do you think is one thing that they could start doing today to help move them forward? One little shift that they could make.
Debbie Prediger (17:39)
think it starts with asking yourself, who am I? Who am I really? What lights me up? Go down that path until you get to know yourself and you little by little you start hearing the whispers.
Like, you you might hear humble and you're like humble. Am I humble or am I not humble? What's going on? It's getting curious. Who am I? But follow the joy. Follow what lights you up and you will find the path to freedom.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (18:13)
Yeah, when you're doing those things that make you happy and joyful, that's when you're being who you really are. And that's when you can then have an impact on the world.
so much great stuff coming out today. I'm really happy with that. So here at Taboo Talk, we're all about having the conversations that often get ignored or swept under the carpet, brushed aside, the ones we should be having, but we don't. In your experience, what's one conversation you believe needs to happen more often and
Why do you think that's important?
Debbie Prediger (19:03)
Wow, such a great question.
I would say a truth conversation with yourself as I just talked about who am I really because if you have spent most of your adult life people pleasing others and you love to be a ballerina and you now remember it there's a conversation that now has to happen externally with your spouse with your family and tell them the truth about what lights you up and that you haven't been lit up you haven't felt that
been fulfilled or feel like you're contributing because that's the impact. We all know that energy can affect us when we walk into the room and it's a negative energy. Somebody's maybe just had a fight, it feels cold, it feels harsh, it feels constricted.
But when people actually realize that it works the other way as well, when you light up a room, you're changing somebody else's emotions. You're helping them feel empowered. Some people will come into the room and they'll say, I didn't even know why I felt so empty. But just listening and connecting with you, I feel fulfilled or happy or joyful. Again, please recognize the emotions that you love to feel
and
choose them more often to create them.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (20:29)
Sometimes that can be hard because we spend so long pushing our emotions down, wearing that mask of, I've got it all together, I'm all okay, when underneath it's like, actually I'm not okay, but we don't say that. And it can be really hard to drop that mask. So if you got any tips on how we might be able to do that.
Debbie Prediger (20:55)
Again, being honest with yourself. So for one of the things that happened with me, and I think you kind of alluded to it in your introduction a little bit about your life. But what happened to me is that I was so busy pleasing everyone else that my body started to shut down. And I mean, my habit and my pattern was work harder, figure it out, get this all done. And that eventually my body literally shot down and the doctors didn't know what was wrong with me.
They were talking MS, they were talking brain tumor, they were talking it's all in your head. You know, it was, I worked in the healthcare industry. I was a nurse at this time. had, my doctors were my friends and they could not figure it out. And maybe I had to get to that breaking point in order to be so compassionate with the people that I now coach. But I do understand that what I was doing was numbing everything out, working harder.
was my way to numb out what I was feeling, that I wasn't having joy in my life, that I got a little bit of joy and energy from pleasing others because that felt like an exchange of love. But what I would tell people today is that love comes from self.
And at one time you couldn't have convinced me of that. It was like, no, love needs to come from others. It comes from within when you know yourself and you love who you are and what you stand for. And so really spending time investing in yourself, investing in who you are, learning to love yourself more, pamper yourself more. And I know that, you know, I can hear myself, the old beliefs even say, yeah, that's easy for you to say, I got things to do. I don't have time to do all that.
It is the best investment you will ever make because when you become clear on who you are and happy with that person and loving that person unconditionally,
despite all the things that ever happened in the past. The person you are today that you can literally start to love unconditionally and then share that person with others so they can mirror it back to you and love you too, that's gonna feed a cycle that for generations to come, people will be happy that you'd invested in yourself.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (23:19)
is such a great insight. because knowing yourself and loving yourself, you're right, then we're able to pour more love out to the world because we come from that place where we're filled up, where we do know what it feels like to have love and joy and peace and we're being who we really are because people pleasing, it gets exhausting.
especially if it's not what we really want to be doing. But so often for so long women were taught the gotta take care of everybody else and that we come last on the list. Now I've been a massage therapist for a long time, 25 years. My biggest observation and my biggest thing that I love to tell people
Those people that you're looking after, what happens to them when you collapse in a screaming hate because you haven't been looking after yourself? What's the selfish thing? Is it taking care of yourself so you're better able to take care of others? Or is it pushing that down and just taking care of everybody else until you burn out and collapse?
Debbie Prediger (24:30)
Yeah.
And it's one of the hardest things to see. Because I know that for me, if you would have told me that, and I had many people tell me that in the depth of all of that, that I'm strong, I can do this. I can take care of others when they maybe can't take care of themselves. So.
What it had to be was my body actually speaking louder to me. I always say your body knock, knock, tap, tap. And then finally it's just slam and you are going to get sick and it will be a disease. And if you don't take care of your body, you will not get a choice. So you can either wait for that to happen to make the change in your life or you can learn from people that have gone before you and then just surround yourself so that they can mirror that you're worth
it, right? For me, I really needed permission from, I thought, others, but in turn it was from myself, because at the end when everybody was giving me permission to, you know, take care of myself, it still wasn't enough. I needed to hear that permission from myself so that then I could do the work that I'm here to do today. And it's still full circle. I'm still helping everyone.
and just doing it in a much different way and in an aligned way. I always say that in order for, you know, we can go too far one way or too far the other, and homeostasis is when you're in the middle and everything's just flowing, and that's where we are meant to be.
God doesn't make mistakes. When he leads you down a path, it's so you can either learn and choose again, or you can go too far the other way and choose again. But you have to choose you, the you that he knows you are, so that you can truly step into everything you were created to be.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:37)
love that and that's definitely going to be one of the little clips that I get my little editor to make is the God doesn't make mistakes. One thing I've learned in my life is God has a plan. Sometimes I really wish he'd let me in on it a little bit sooner than he sometimes does but is the he always has a plan and when I relax and go with that and trust that things work out really well.
It's when I do the, but I want it this way and I try to do it all myself that things just, they don't work the same way. And I love somebody else saying, God doesn't make mistakes or that, that he's part of, of everything. Cause sometimes we, we shy away from those spiritual conversations too. So it is so great to be able to.
to have that with you. So thank you.
Debbie Prediger (27:37)
Well, you know,
now when I have that little inner argument with myself, was like, I don't think I can do it. It's not for me. I don't know. That's too hard. I laugh because I'm like, so you actually think you're smarter than God. Okay, let's just wrap this up a bit. So I've kind of flipped it around from being like a bad servant and not listening or whatever, like all the stories that I used to have and I just giggle and now we have conversations all the time.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:55)
Yep.
which is really cool. Yes, it's fun being able to just have a chat with God the same way that we're talking now.
And sometimes when you listen to those whispers, your body doesn't have to shout at you. You don't have to get smacked up the back of their head if you start listening sooner. Cause from a physical point of view, your body is always talking to you and it's designed for homeostasis. As you said, it's designed for that, that middle point, but so often
and I talked about it in last week's was that even our nervous system and how it responds to fight and flight and rest and repair, it's supposed to be like a seesaw and a lot of the time we want that seesaw level every once in a while, the central nervous system. So our sympathetic nervous system will kick in. That's what runs our fight and flight response. And we need that.
When we're going through hard times, when we're really stressed, we need that fight and flight response. It's what keeps us safe. But we're not supposed to spend all of the time with the seesaw that way. We're supposed to have times where the other end, our parasympathetic nervous system is running the show. That's when we get into that rest and repair state. And then we're supposed to have those times that we're just kind of in the middle where everything's
Everything's even, everything's good. We're not too stressy, but we're not sitting on the couch doing nothing either. We're in that good space, but so often, and I say it all the time, we're running on empty. We're pushing through. Our nervous system is in chronic fight and flight. And some of us, I will put my hand up for this one.
end up with what's called a maladaptive stress response. So sometimes, and I had to learn the lesson the hard way, like you, I ended up very, very ill with the, we're not quite sure what's, what's going on. Eventually, I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue after having had glandular fever, Obama forest fever and CMV all at the same time and my immune system just going,
I'm not playing anymore. And it was, I was one of those, I was a competitive runner, I sang, I was a straight A student, all of that. And my body just went, yeah, I can't. And while I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone, I also wouldn't wish to go back and not have it because what I learned through that experience,
I learned to listen to the whispers of my body. learned to figure out how to spend my energy and what to do that gave me more energy and what really drained me into listen to that.
Yeah. And to, to listen to those promptings from, from spirit as well. Cause sometimes starting a podcast was stepping way my comfort zone, it was one of those ideas that I was seeing people struggling and so many with the same issues, but they weren't talking about them. so actually just start the conversation because we might find something.
in that and it was right about the same time that I first saw you on an LA Tribune. I can't even remember which one of the forums it was and then I started looking into your work and it's like this is a woman I need to talk to so I am so glad that you said yes to coming on.
Debbie Prediger (32:20)
you
Yeah, and you know, this is kind of that ripple effect that I talk about all the time. It's if we just sit with our own thoughts, they can get really mixed up in what...
what's the truth and what's important and what, what, what. But when we have these conversations, like what you're just saying, let's just have the conversation. And if anything's allowed to be talked about, then that's just brings freedom and permission and a sense of safety. And then pretty soon we're connecting with people across the world, right? I'm in Mexico today, but I live in Canada. You're in Australia. We have people that we have all over the world and we're all similar.
But it doesn't happen if we just stay with our thoughts to ourselves and never speak them out loud. There's freedom in speaking it out loud.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:18)
And sometimes all we need to figure out who we are and what's going on is that safe space to have that conversation. To have somebody come alongside us and just listen while we go blah. Because then we can, when we hear ourselves, we can figure it out. We can find those answers that are within us. And we don't have to go looking outside of ourselves for that.
We still sometimes do that.
Debbie Prediger (33:48)
It's true, but
there's also power in your words. So it's how you're defining yourself, how you're speaking about yourself. What kind of questions are you asking? Are they empowering questions or are they victim mentality or lack, right? Why is this always happening to me versus...
understand. Is there something that I could do? Like asking the right questions brings freedom. And I believe that's part of the conversation that we're meant to have with Source and with people like you. Like you said, the answers are right there. All of a sudden, they're coming out of your own mouth and you're like, wow, I just answered my own question. How did that happen?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (34:27)
Yep.
Where did that wisdom come from?
Yeah, I love it. Now I could sit here and chat with you all day, but I'm sure you've got things to do in lovely Mexico because you're there with your family, yeah?
Debbie Prediger (34:48)
And we're here with my husband right now. Yes.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (34:54)
Yes. I cannot thank you enough for coming on today, for sharing your heart, for sharing your wisdom and your journey with us. I love your passion for helping people break free, trust themselves and step fully into who they are. It is so inspiring and your work has helped me listen to myself.
more and to start stepping out and shining my light knowing that if I shine mine I give other people permission to shine theirs and I know our listeners are going to walk away from today feeling empowered and more ready to take action. To everyone that's tuning in remember you don't have to do this alone.
Growth, transformation and stepping into your purpose aren't meant to be a solo journey. Like we said, have the conversations and then you find those answers yourself. Now if this episode spoke to you, here's what I'd love for you to do. Share it with someone who needs to hear it. Subscribe and leave a review. It helps me reach more people. Also, put in a comment that tells us
the conversations that you want to start having because that is what Tabby Talk with Sarah is for is to start those conversations, to have those conversations that we don't always have. So please join in that conversation. And remember your story matters. Now, if you want to connect to Debbie and dive deeper into her work, I will pop it in the show notes, but Debbie?
If people want to get a hold of you, where's the best places to do that?
Debbie Prediger (36:53)
Well, it depends on where you're at, because I'm everywhere. So, it
reached out to me as Debbie Prediger on LinkedIn, on Facebook, any one of those places.
Also, if you are an extraordinary woman or you know of an extraordinary woman, I really invite you to come into our private Facebook group. And the reason that that's private is to make sure that these women have a safe space to tell their stories. So whether you're looking to be inspired or to inspire someone else, we really welcome you in there.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:31)
And it is a great place to be. Some of the stories in there are just incredible. Women who've triumphed over so much hard stuff and then gone on to help other people is wonderful. And I'm so happy I get to be a part of it.
So thank you again for coming on today.
And for everyone listening, until next time, take care of yourselves, take care of each other. Remember, we're not meant to do this alone. And please share your stories because your story matters. You matter. So please remember that and just keep talking. Until next time.