What if healing didn’t have to be heavy—and joy was part of the journey? In this soul-filled episode of Taboo Talk with Sarah, I’m flipping the script and interviewing the amazing Ashley Borromeo, a soul-led entrepreneur, embodiment guide, speaker, and founder of Dance Through Life. Ashley’s unique blend of movement, mindset, and motherhood will inspire you to reconnect with your joy, listen to your inner child, and dance your way through even the messiest of seasons. From building confidence to breaking cycles, this episode is all about embracing the flow of life—one step, sway, or stumble at a time.
✔️ Dance as a Healing Framework – How movement, creativity, and aligned action help shift us from survival mode to self-expression
✔️ Redefining Leadership – Why Ashley believes real leadership starts with self-leadership and modeling joy
✔️ Motherhood & Identity – The challenges of balancing personal purpose with parenting, and the healing that comes from claiming space
✔️ Education, Play & Creativity – Why we need to reimagine learning, freedom, and expression for our kids
✔️ Confidence through Action – How accountability and doing things before you're ready leads to growth and fulfillment
🗣️ “If it’s not fun, it’s not worth doing. Everything is a dance—especially healing.” – Ashley Borromeo
🗣️ “Putting yourself last as a mum might feel noble—but it’s one of the most common traumas we carry.”
🗣️ “The way we move through life teaches our children how to do the same. They’re always watching.”
⏱️ 00:00 – Welcome & flipping the script: Sarah introduces Ashley
⏱️ 01:40 – The origin of Dance Through Life and Ashley’s reluctant dance beginnings
⏱️ 05:00 – Discovering leadership and expression through movement
⏱️ 08:30 – Surviving vs. thriving: Helping women reconnect with joy
⏱️ 13:50 – Motherhood, identity, and giving yourself permission to shine
⏱️ 19:30 – Healing by honoring your desires instead of always waiting
⏱️ 24:10 – Generational patterns, mum guilt & breaking the cycle
⏱️ 33:10 – Building a movement, legacy, and ripple effect of empowerment
⏱️ 40:00 – The conversation we need: Rethinking education and raising free thinkers
⏱️ 54:00 – Real talk: Minecraft, motion sickness, and the mess of motherhood
⏱️ 56:30 – Final thoughts: Healing doesn’t have to be heavy—just dance
Ashley Borromeo
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Sarah Jordan-ross (00:00) Welcome back to Taboo Talk with Sarah, the space where we break the silence, foster hope and have the hard conversations so you never have to feel alone. I'm your host, Sarah Jordan Ross, a mum of three amazing boys who challenge me and help me be a better person. I'm a wellness coach and I'm not afraid to dive deep into the topics that sometimes we shy away from.
This podcast is all about connection, compassion and creating community through real raw conversations. And today we're doing exactly that with a guest whose energy and mission and her heart have completely inspired me. I first came across Ashley's beautiful presence in the LA Tribune Women's Journal and was immediately drawn to her energy. Not long ago, she interviewed me for the Be Empowered Women's Network.
Now I get to flip the script and put her on the other side of the mic and it's so much fun to be able to have that experience with the amazing Ashley Borromeo who is a soul-led entrepreneur, a guide, a speaker, and the founder of Dance Through Life, a movement that blends embodiment, spiritual alignment, and healing through self-expression. Her work's more about dance than dance-dance. It's about giving women permission to feel, to move.
and to reconnect with their joy and wholeness. Ashley, welcome, welcome. It is so great to have you here.
Ashley Borromeo (01:30)
I have been looking forward to this since the day we talked about it. So I'm so excited, Sarah. Thank you so much. I can't wait to see what we're going to uncover.
Sarah Jordan-ross (01:38)
With that let's get straight into the questions So your movement your message dance through life. It's a really powerful concept and I'd love to start by asking What experiences led you to this philosophy of life? What was your turning point? What was that moment that woke you up to this is what I meant to do?
Ashley Borromeo (01:42)
Do it.
That's an incredibly complex answer that I'm gonna try to simplify for you for the sake of time. I started dance when I was six years old, reluctantly. Very important that I put that word there. I didn't wanna dance when I was little. It wasn't like I grew up and wanted to be a ballerina or a tap dancer. Like that was never, I wanted to be left alone. I was a tomboy. I wanted to play in the woods with all the boys in our neighborhood, build and yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (02:06)
you
countries.
Ashley Borromeo (02:30)
Lots
of trees, I climbed lots of trees. We were building tree forts, like finding little sticks and, you know, sawing them and then hammering, I mean, it was so fun. But ultimately my mom said, you know, we got time to kill between school and when I get home from work, you can't just be hanging out in the woods with the boys all the time. Like that's not necessarily good. It's like the future goes on. Let's find something for you to do. And I'm the only girl I was, I'm adopted, so I'm the youngest. And so it's just, yeah. So my mom said brownies or dance.
Like dance class or brownies. And Sarah, I just said I was a tomboy and brownies when I was a kid was like a Girl Scouts variation. It might still exist. I don't know, but you had to wear a brown skirt dress thing. And I was like, yeah, no dance. Not wearing that brown thing in front of people. Like I'm not wearing a skirt or a dress dance. I don't care if I have to wear a leotard and tights. I'm just not wearing a skirt or a dress. So that's kind of how it started for me. And I was really, really shy. I did not want to do it. I didn't want to do any of those things. I just wanted to be in the woods.
and explore and play. But dance was the biggest gift of my life. And I think probably any activity might have been, to be honest. I don't know that it was dance because it's dance or if it was just a structured activity with other community and people doing something with a directed mission. It probably could have been anything. So I don't know. But dance opened up so many doors for me. And what I realized...
As I got older, like, you know, I started when I was six, but as I was like 11, I realized I was moving into this role of leadership in the studio. Meaning when I got over my shyness, the very first year, the next year I was all in by, by year two after recital, I was like, that was amazing. I had a goal, loved it. And I really started to realize that in the dance world outside of the school world, there was this bigger mission. wasn't like just take tests and learn stuff and pass your, you know,
Fit in you know or don't fit in like this weird social dynamic of school that could be it was like there's a mission We're all gonna get this dance better. There's this teamwork. We're gonna compete it We're gonna do all these things and so I started to learn this leadership role by watching older kids and saying like gosh I want to do what they're doing and then I remember when I was like 11 and 12 I remember looking over and there was like little kids watching us and I realized my gosh I'm an older kid now and like there's people watching me and I'm the youngest so I didn't have siblings or anything like that at home and that really
That impacted me. And I realized that I could make a difference by just working hard and showing up and being prepared and having a good attitude in class. I could affect our whole class. I could be a leader. And I loved that. And so that started it. And that leadership really evolved over time. And I think maybe I'm speaking about the leadership because of the symposium that we just had with the Los Angeles Tribune. But that...
Sarah Jordan-ross (05:17)
Which was amazing by the way.
Ashley Borromeo (05:19)
Well, thank you. It was amazing for me to be able to say that I was able to do that with all those incredible women that were speaking. so much amazingness, but the, but the thing that happened over time was that leadership became in this transformation of leading me, right? And me being able to watch other people lead themselves and fall into who they are when they had solos and I was teaching and I would be like, you know, do, do it more your way. Don't, don't look like me and watching dance allow people this art.
allow people to express themselves and create with their own body the presence of being them. I have always known it and seen it even in my like late teen years, but as I've gotten older and older and older and I'm 40 now and I have three kids and I still teach children and I teach tons of adults globally online and I just, see it all the time how dance.
allows you to not just move your body and exercise and learn something new and challenge your brain and your coordination and your balance and all the good stuff. It carries into every facet of your life. A dancer knows good posture. And so when you have good posture, your presence in the grocery store looks different, right? You're not just dancing in the class. You're dancing through life. When you get used to going across the floor or being called upon to execute the choreography, even though you know you're like, I need to practice more. I don't have it.
what did it, what was it? Count me in. You know, that moment, I use that tool a lot in my personal life. It's, know, five, six, seven, eight, go even before you're ready. And so a lot of these things that I have just learned as a dancer in the dance studio world, growing up, just being in it and following directions and trying to perfect choreography, which is never a possibility, but you know, doing your best.
Sarah Jordan-ross (06:43)
I'm not ready.
Ashley Borromeo (07:09)
I've realized I carried them in every aspect, you know, and I would be at school and high school and it would be time to give a presentation. And I was like, I've got this. I've been on a stage before. Like I can do this. Was I confident in what I was trying to speak and articulate? Probably not nearly as much as I was if I was dancing. but I knew I had the skills and the capability. And so I've just always seen how dance parallels so many things in our lives.
And yeah, so it's not just the dance steps. It's dancing through life, taking the elements that we learn as a dancer, that action taking mentality, that ability to know that you're going to try it you're going to mess up, but that's part of the process. And we just keep making the iterations and the corrections and we apply them as fast as we can. That's where I really feel like dance has really helped me a lot.
Yeah, it's so dance through life. It's not just dance. And I always share this in my coaching as these aspects that we can do here. Look where it goes. And then it's just, it's amazing to watch people apply them.
Sarah Jordan-ross (08:10)
Can you actively help people to reconnect with that part of themselves? Because like you said, that expression and it does carry on to every other part of our life. sometimes, even if we have those tools, sometimes when we end up in survival mode, it's like we forget all that stuff that we know or dance, art.
Ashley Borromeo (08:22)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (08:36)
that creative side gets shut down a little bit when we're in survival mode. So how do you actually help people to reconnect with that and what shifts have you seen when that happens? Like when they...
Ashley Borromeo (08:49)
I think,
yeah, I think the best way that I help people with that is I remind them of their childhood joy. A lot of the work that I do in my coaching, so I say dance through life, but dance is also my coaching framework. So D is decide, and it's always based on your desires. So there's D is decide on the desires. A is take aligned action. N is notice, right? You have to be aware, you have to notice, you have to slow down, you have to pause. I always talk about the power of the pause.
C is create and that is messy, right? It's imperfect. It's also being open to new possibilities and ideas. That's part of the creative process. And a big part of that is also celebrating. And then E is energy and we expand upon it. So the way I do that is a lot of times, and I have different tools for different people, depends on how much of survival mode we're in. If we're in survival mode because we're in there because of fear or lack.
Sarah Jordan-ross (09:19)
huge.
Ashley Borromeo (09:46)
or scarcity or limitations based on past stories or patterns, then we'll start there. What are the stories? What are the patterns? Why are we here? What is the vice grip, right? So we have to get curious and figure out why. But if it's more like just kind of feeling in a funk, haven't really done a lot to, we have a bad pattern, but not necessarily lack. It's just survival of like, have to do all these things in life and there's just no time for other stuff. Then we go back to the childhood joy.
Like what is it that brought you fun? Like joy as what did you do for fun as a kid? What brought you joy? Okay. When's the last time you did that? Like did you sing in the car when you were a kid and mom was driving or dad was driving? When's the last time you sang in a car out loud and listened to yourself, even if you know you're going to mess up every single lyric, you didn't care as a kid. Why do you care now? You know, it's that adulting where we conform so much. So it really depends on where we are in the survival mode. And I always say everything is a dance.
It's just having a ton of different tools and being open to the energy of the person and where we are. But there's a lot of fun ways to do it. I always want to focus on the fun. I always say follow your fun, follow your joy. Because if it's not fun, it's not worth doing.
Sarah Jordan-ross (10:58)
Exactly and who said that being a grown-up has to be no fun? We need to find that in there.
Ashley Borromeo (11:04)
And imagine, right?
And imagine if that was really, I mean, if, cause it's not, but if that was really the case, why would we ever want to grow up? Why would we ever ask our kids, what do you want to do when you grow up? What do you, what do you love doing? Like there's a big, there's a big disconnect between the way that we are when we're kids and the way a lot of us live our lives as adults. Like what happened? You know, there's all those sayings and you see those cute little like images of like wild grandmas, know, like
crazy dressed and they're like, you know, never stop having fun in life. But it's like, you know, a lot of us do. We get so serious. We get so into survival mode. We get so worried about all of the stressors that are very real. know, people might have a child with a health issue. That's very real, right? We're not going to ignore that. But at the same token, you have to be aligned to who you are at your core. And what brings you fun is there for a reason. It's a it's a gift.
for you, especially in those hard times. And if you know what the thing is that brings you fun, singing, dancing, drawing, painting, being in nature, hiking, whatever it is, doing puzzles, whatever brings you joy, it's your gift to have that thing. I just want to always encourage people to do it because those little kids that are in our lives, whether it's your own children or your, you know, your neighbors kids, they're watching us adults dance through life.
Sarah Jordan-ross (12:30)
They're always watching.
Ashley Borromeo (12:31)
They're always watching and they are so much smarter than so many people give credit to. They are so much more assertive and attentive in their, in their observations than we want to believe. And yeah, we have to model it. We have to.
Sarah Jordan-ross (12:45)
Especially when we are going through tough stuff. I know both you and I talk a lot about turning that pain into purpose or finding the good in those difficult moments. Because no matter what you're going through there will be some good in it somewhere. I know I've talked to a lot of people who would say they wouldn't wish what they'd been through on anybody.
but at the same time if they could go back and not have that experience that's not the choice they'd make either because that experience got them to where they are. So, yeah.
Ashley Borromeo (13:25)
Yeah, it built the character and the resilience and
the determination and the grit. It built all those characteristics that you have now because of what you've gone through. Yeah, for sure.
Sarah Jordan-ross (13:37)
So what did your own personal healing journey look like and how has that affected how you now show up for others apart from finding the fun?
Ashley Borromeo (13:50)
Yeah, yeah, you know, I can really resonate and empathize with the moms. So I have three kids and I love being a mom like most women, not all women. And I get that. know not everyone is created equal. I get that and I respect that. And I have some very dear friends and family members that are like, I love that you love being a mom, but it's the most, the hardest thing I've ever experienced. It's not fun for me. And that doesn't mean they don't love their children. It's just not easy, smooth sailing, right? So I...
If anybody's listening and you're like, good for you. I feel you. I love you too. Like I get it. I get it.
Sarah Jordan-ross (14:24)
Yeah, there are those moments for
all of us that some days we absolutely rock motherhood and we wouldn't dream of it any other way. And there's other days where it seriously kicks our asses. And it's those days that need a little help to get through.
Ashley Borromeo (14:39)
Yeah. And.
Yeah. And in those days, just like you were saying a second ago, those challenges, I wouldn't trade them for anything because they make me about those little humans that are bucking my system are teaching me how to be more flexible in life. Like I can't control everything, right? There's always a lesson for me. think my kids teach me more than I teach them. Even though I like to think that I'm teaching because I homeschool my kids too. I like to think that I'm teaching them all these things, but really let's be honest. Let's call it like it is.
Sarah Jordan-ross (14:57)
Yes.
You
Ashley Borromeo (15:12)
So, so I'm, I want to make sure I answer your question, Sarah. And I think your question was, my healing journey, my own personal journey. So I don't have, I mean, I do have things in my life that are traumatic. but I don't ever view anything in my life. That's even the hard times. mean, there's been a few, I don't view them as gosh, that was so hard. I view it as like, I can feel it when I think of it. Like that was tough. That was.
That was tough. That was really tough. but like you said, it's okay. Cause like it's, it's all good. I feel as though the healing journey for me more, if I was to say I can feel it deeper right now is this the thing that's probably the more recent, which is being a mom because I wanted to be the best mom that I can be. there was a time maybe six, seven, eight years ago. So I have a 13 year old and nine year old.
and a five year old who will be six next month. It's like right around the corner. Yeah. So, maybe about eight, nine years ago when I had, maybe when my, my second one was first born or maybe right before she was born, I don't know. I was going through this phase. I homeschool my son and I love homeschooling. Like I've never not loved homeschooling. There's hard days. Yes. Right. But it's still at end of the day. I would never trade it. And
Sarah Jordan-ross (16:36)
See,
that's the thing that I look at you and go, I'm really glad you love homeschooling. I could not do it. I would just, no.
Ashley Borromeo (16:45)
Exactly, right?
And that's exactly like that parenting thing, right? Like I love being a mom, but I also get it if someone's like, mm-hmm, good for you. I get that. And I respect that so much because that's where the good conversations can happen, right? That's where that taboo talk can happen. But you know, I have always been a teacher. Like I've taught dance well before I was ever a homeschool mom. Like I love teaching because I know...
Sarah Jordan-ross (17:02)
That's it.
Ashley Borromeo (17:12)
that when I'm teaching something, especially to a hard, like difficult student, that's not just meshing with my brain. Like I'm not just, you're not getting me, you know, they're making me a better teacher. And I love that. I love challenge. a part of me always kind of draws myself to it. So yeah, homeschool is challenging, but when I was going through this season of life, I knew that I loved what I was doing and I wouldn't trade it for anything. Hands down. I'm choosing this. I'm creating this in my life. No one's making me homeschool my kid, right?
but I was also very torn because I am an entrepreneur at heart and I'm very much a, I have a lot of energy. I like to move. I like to do things. I like to create again. That's who I am. and I was feeling very stuck a little bit. Like I didn't want to be in the studio 24 seven, like a normal dance teacher would be, you you teach in the evenings, you're there for however many hours every night or you can pick your calendar sometimes, but not always. And
I didn't want to miss out on like the bedtime stories and all that stuff. Cause the dance studio life is in the evening after school, not during the day when your kids are busy. And so I was like, I'm going to make this decision. I'm going to stay home and I'm just not going to teach dance as much. And so I started doing a lot more private lessons, but it just wasn't the same as being in the studio. I had owned a studio before. Like I knew what that was like and this conflict. So my healing isn't necessarily like a big loss necessarily. There is some of that.
But I feel like because of the people that it affects, I don't want to share that because they're people that I love very much and I don't want them to be painted in the wrong picture because they're phenomenal people that just had some, they made some tough decisions, maybe not the best ones. And so it affected all of us. But, in this case, this was this dance between doing what I knew I wanted to do and also, for fulfilling what I knew I needed and wanted in my life. And I thought, well, I'll just put this on hold for a while until the
the kid is old enough and then I can go back to it. And I told myself that for so many years, Sarah, I can always own a dance studio again when my kids are grown and graduated. And then I had a second kid and I'm like, Ooh, okay, that pushes it back nine more years, right? And then I had a third kid and I'm like, dang, that pushes it back another five years. You know, I'm like, when are they ever going to be grown and graduated? And, and I'm currently pregnant right now. So I'm like, okay, all right. We, they just keep coming. So it was this, it's this journey, but the, dance of it and
Sarah Jordan-ross (19:20)
the time.
Ashley Borromeo (19:35)
The healing was actually knowing that I, I do matter. And my thing that lights me up is uniquely mine for a reason, because I feel like I'm good at it and I feel like I love it so much. I love pouring into other people. love empowering them and encouraging them and building their confidence. I love doing that. And, that's my gift. if I'm not doing it,
Sarah Jordan-ross (19:55)
your gift and thank you for sharing it.
Ashley Borromeo (20:00)
then I don't feel like I'm I'm of service to humanity even, right? Like I'm less of me and I'm less patient and I'm less energized at home because there's that angst, right? That desire part of my dance framework. I wasn't living into the desire as much. And so that healing is very common. That healing of putting yourself last as a mom. That's very common, right? That's like.
One of the most common things and it seems like, well, you say healing, that should be a trauma, that should be a tragedy, but that is, that is a trauma. When you put yourself last over and over and over again and you do it out of the goodness of your heart, cause you're like, I want to serve all the little people in my life. I want to serve my family and maybe not even just your husband, but maybe your mom or your in-laws or your aunts or your, whoever your neighbors need you. We give, give, give, give, give. And we always put ourselves last. And all that does is just lowers the energy level in your entire home.
And so.
Sarah Jordan-ross (20:55)
ends up
with you depleted and then you can't give to anybody and it just... yeah.
Ashley Borromeo (21:00)
Right,
it's really powerful. And what is so crazy about it is it's so commonplace. it's, I mean, my mom is 81. And so the mother that I was raised with was, you that generation, like you work hard and you, you you provide and you do your best. I mean, my mom would iron, my mom ironed my underwear growing up sometimes. I was like, woman, you've lost it. are, you are.
You need to go to bed, right? But she, in her mind, she was providing and she was doing what a good mom would do. You know, she ironed everything because that's what a good mom would do. She played the role, right? But my mom never bought new shoes for herself until they truly had a hole in her toe was sticking out. And I was like, mother buy shoes. And she would always buy the cheapest shoes and buy the cheapest clothes for herself. And I would take her, you know, I'd take her to different, I'm like, but mom, this one's cute. And she was like, no. And she would go by the, and
She never said it, but I knew what she was doing, you know, right? She was putting herself last so she could give me more. And I didn't ask that for that. And do I appreciate it? my gosh. Yes. I mean, my mom gave me the, my mom gave me everything that she could and more than she could. but I felt that I had to do that too. I was like, well, if I'm going to be a good mom, I got to do what she did. And then there was that like, this is not working. And that felt very selfish.
very selfish at first. And that was a healing that I had to do.
Sarah Jordan-ross (22:23)
that's
yeah because so many people particularly mums of that generation and what because our mums are about if my mum was still with us they'd be about the same age and it's the they yeah they did put everyone else first because that was what they were raised to believe was that
Ashley Borromeo (22:40)
Mm.
Yes,
serve.
Sarah Jordan-ross (22:48)
you look
after everybody else. Putting yourself first is selfish therefore wrong. It took a long time for me, having seen that, I will half jokingly say, I was raised by Superwoman. I have no feeling that I need to be one because my mum was a full-time working mum and somehow she still managed to never miss a school concert I was singing in or a race I was running in.
Ashley Borromeo (23:09)
same.
Same.
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (23:17)
It's tough enough doing it when you've got help and support but doing it by yourself? And I even made that comment to her once that what she'd done was quite amazing and it was just that I just did what I had to do. I didn't even think about it.
Ashley Borromeo (23:33)
It's exactly what my mom says, Sarah. My mom will say,
like, I didn't think that there was even another option. Like, I just, we just do it. We just do what we need to do. And I'm like, wow. It's true though. I mean, and you do it too as a mom and I do it still, but it's this awareness of your special gift and that it does need to be, like your voice needs to be heard. The stories you're sharing in your podcast here, the people you're talking to, this is important work. And it's putting value in your own,
Sarah Jordan-ross (23:40)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ashley Borromeo (24:02)
work and worth. I had this conversation with my mom not too long ago and it was a doozy. She actually hung up on me because I was talking to her about knowing her worth. Yeah. And the fact that I even got to break the ice of this conversation and that my mom is still here and she's 81 and I got to have, even if we don't ever have the conversation again, cause I don't know that we can, I'm not so sure that it would be,
Sarah Jordan-ross (24:13)
You hit a nerve!
Ashley Borromeo (24:31)
You know, you come at a place where you're a mom and you just want to go, like you just said, you know, like, how did you do that? You know, how, thank you so much. Like I'm forever and gratitude for you in my life and I'm adopted. So I'm leaving like, mom, you chose me. You didn't have to, you, you picked me and then you way over provided, you know? And I'm like, why, how? And she, she always says the same thing. Like I would do it again. And if I wasn't paying for dance, I would have probably been paying for bail.
jail bond because that was just the it's true actually a lot of my a lot of the neighborhood people that I grew up with they all ended up in jail are pregnant very early and substance abuse and addiction and and so it's that's the statistics are there to prove that but yeah they are superwoman but I think also that generation a big disservice because so many of them have such incredible gifts and they didn't even get a chance to discover them because they were so busy
falling into that womanly role and.
Sarah Jordan-ross (25:34)
they're doing what they
were expected to do and not really asking themselves what it was they wanted to do but they have through that given us the ability to say hey I can choose they've given us those options that they didn't have and that's one thing I am very grateful for that generation for that they gave us those choices that otherwise we may not have
Ashley Borromeo (25:40)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (26:04)
I've had they fought the battles so we don't have to.
Ashley Borromeo (26:04)
Yeah, and I'm sure.
Absolutely. And I'm curious, Sarah, did your mom ever ask you like or tell like, I'm curious because my mom would always say like, you know, my mom raised me to be very independent. My mom was married and divorced four times. And, you know, it was always like, you don't need a man. You can support yourself. You're in the, know, you're independent woman because that's the role she played. And she raised me that way. And she, she modeled that. But yet she was always like, follow your heart, actually do whatever you want. And it's like, well, what the heck?
doing that then? But again, we always want for our children what we didn't have. And so much so that I think now because of the generations and the way that's kind of filtered down, you see parents that vicariously live through their children because they want what they didn't have, right? They put them in so much so. So I'm just curious, did your mom speak to you like that too? Like you can do anything you want, follow your heart? Does she do that too?
Sarah Jordan-ross (27:04)
went on a working holiday to the UK when I was 30. My mum helped me fill in the forms. I really want to do this and I wanted to do it for ages. I thought I'd missed the chance and then the rules on the visas changed so I was then able to apply and go. Because they changed the age limits and they bumped it up a bit. But yeah, my mum...
Ashley Borromeo (27:31)
That's awesome.
Sarah Jordan-ross (27:34)
filled in the forms where some other people went, must be a great guy you're following. It's like, no, there isn't one. it was the, if I waited around till there was some guy to go with or somebody to, I'd probably never do it. So mum was very much the, you want to do it, go do it. And then she came to visit when I lived in the UK and we went to the Channel Islands.
Ashley Borromeo (27:53)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (28:03)
And we're walking along a beach and my mum spots this boat in distance and says, hey let's go to France for the day.
Ashley Borromeo (28:12)
She was an adventurer.
Sarah Jordan-ross (28:14)
we could and I think like that was in her she was in her 60s by this stage yeah late 60s early and I think it was because she'd won it she'd always been an adventurer at heart like I am she worked for a government department and I developed my gypsy tendencies because of that we moved around a lot but I think she'd always wanted to do those things but she had been held back
Ashley Borromeo (28:17)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (28:42)
from doing them so then when she could she did and she always encouraged me to to go do that and I think because I always knew if I fell flat on my face she'd pick me up dust me off and say go do it again so I wasn't afraid to go in and try things so I landed in England no house no job nothing
six weeks later full-time job in my own industry just because I walked into a spa and handed them my resume.
so and I think the only reason I was was because that's how how she raised me was the if you want to do it also like with getting any job she said get the job then figure out how you do it and that's exactly what I'm doing with yeah
Ashley Borromeo (29:22)
Go do it.
That is teaching
that not everybody got. A lot of people got work hard, learn it, get better, get better, get better, get better, get better, better, then apply and actually even apply for the job first, right? Wow, that's awesome. Wow.
Sarah Jordan-ross (29:45)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's what I'm trying to instil in my boys too is the just have a go at it. It doesn't have to be perfect. And you don't have to have it all right before you have a go.
Ashley Borromeo (30:08)
Yeah, and isn't there something also, I feel like there's something so beautiful. Sarah Blakely, her story really resonates with me a lot. You know, she had no idea how to do the Spanx journey when she started Spanx. And she's just like, I didn't, I had no idea what I was doing. The way she did things was so unconventional. And her story really resonates with me in that regard because there is something about ignorance as bliss.
And when you don't know the way everybody else is doing it and you haven't practiced it a hundred times and perfected it the way your coach or your teacher or your mentor is telling you, you bring your special sauce to it, right? And it, you're unique. You stand out. And especially now in 2025 and imagine what it will look like when our children are applying for jobs that unique. Yes, absolutely. And that creative thinking and critical thinking will be top of the most important thing. won't be how
Sarah Jordan-ross (30:52)
It'll be noisy.
Ashley Borromeo (31:02)
How smart is your IQ? It'll be how outside of the box can you think? How resourceful are you? And all of that, those are skills that you learn and you develop and you build the muscle in by doing exactly that, right? You want it, go after it, then figure it out along the way. build the train as it goes down the track, not build the train and keep it in the, you know, the safety spot forever and then put it on the track, you know? Yeah, it's awesome. Your mom was...
Incredible.
Sarah Jordan-ross (31:33)
she was.
Ashley Borromeo (31:35)
I love that.
Sarah Jordan-ross (31:35)
Yeah, and I actually started the podcast. My very first episode went to air on her birthday.
Ashley Borromeo (31:43)
Oh my gosh, what date is that?
Sarah Jordan-ross (31:47)
January 14th.
Ashley Borromeo (31:48)
That's my niece's birthday. And also it was my son's due date, but he came late. That's beautiful. None of mine do. They're at least two weeks late. Anyways, yes. my gosh. That's amazing.
Sarah Jordan-ross (31:54)
Yeah, babies don't follow their true dates.
two weeks late,
yeah, and induced after four days of spurious labour, so that was fun. And then my other two were both early.
Ashley Borromeo (32:17)
Wow, interesting. Yeah, keeping you on your toes, Mom. It's not on your plan. We'll tell you when we're coming.
Sarah Jordan-ross (32:18)
Mmm. Yeah. Hi.
I'm adaptable.
Ashley Borromeo (32:28)
And if you weren't, you would be learning it.
Sarah Jordan-ross (32:30)
Too bad, so sad.
Ashley Borromeo (32:33)
my gosh, I love that. Yep.
Sarah Jordan-ross (32:35)
just trying to think what fun questions I can ask you now because of course I did have a big long list but it's always just fun sitting here having a chat.
Ashley Borromeo (32:40)
Love it.
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (32:43)
Something that we're both into is very much community and connection. We're both part of the Be Empowered Women's Network and you're also part of the LA Tribune Women's Journal. You've spoken to some pretty big audiences like the other day on the symposium and you're building a movement. So what's behind that? What's the ripple effect you want to create?
What's the legacy you want to leave?
Ashley Borromeo (33:14)
Yeah, I want to be known as somebody who lifts people up and somebody who champions others. I always have. That's, that's, mean, if you ask any of my students, I actually had a student from when I owned my studio. gosh, I owned my studio 20 years ago now or something close to that. can't, I'd have to do the math for a second. And at 10, at 10 36 PM, I'm not doing that, but somewhere around the 20 years ago range. And she reached out to me because
Sarah Jordan-ross (33:31)
Yeah.
Ashley Borromeo (33:41)
Well, I made an impact and so that has just, that's the ripple, but she reached out to me because she's a dance teacher now and she has a student that is excelling and she has a situation where maybe the studio owner isn't providing the best education and opportunities for this one kid because she's one kid, not a group of kids. Right? So she's not bringing in all these things and she's like, so, you know, I want to offer her, what, what do I do? And I was just like, gosh, I got on the call with her and I said,
I'm just so proud of you because this speaks volumes of your character. Dance teachers are like any coach. You have an opportunity to connect with a child so differently and so special versus just a school teacher. And there's nothing wrong with school teachers because I have some very connected school teachers that made impacts in my life. But when you're looking at a kid's body and you're telling them to move, you know, especially at that eight, nine, well eight to like 14, it can be very awkward for little girls and it's
there's a little bit of rawness sometimes and it's just, beautiful and they trust you. And, and we were talking and I said, you know, I just, I'm proud of you for caring this deeply about this kid. And she said, she was, well, I learned that from you. She's like, I always knew that you cared. And I always knew that, you know, I could come to you even if it was about boys in high school, like I knew I could come to you because it was, you, you saw me for my, for the potential and all these things. And,
And that's it, Sarah. want people, I want people to see the potential in themselves. And I, I love building people up in their confidence because when you're confident, your life changes. mean, you can walk down the street, unconfident and you know, so insecure and, and just ashamed of the way you look and feel. And that's not a human being that's living in their light. That's, that's able to do any sort of good because it's so, it's almost, it's selfish. It's so me, me, me, me, me.
But when we build our confidence, it's like, it's about serving it's out. It's you, you, you. And I just feel like the collective energy is so beautiful. We all get to dance through life then. And, so yeah, I mean, the way I'm coaching, the way I'm speaking, the way I still teach tons of dance classes, I teach daily and, in all of the things, even with homeschooling my children, I just, I want to be remembered as somebody and not necessarily even when I die, but like,
Right now I want that student, know, that past student that's now an adult with her. I want people to know that they can reach out to me and I'm still going to empower them and I'm going to challenge them. and I'm going to, I'm going to hold them aware of or accountable. I'm going to hold them accountable, excuse me, to knowing themselves and the potential that they have, because I've had mentors that have done that to me, dance teachers who have, you know, do it again, Ashley. That wasn't, that wasn't good enough. I'm like, but, but.
No, do it again. You know that push. It's this I don't think I'm a tough coach I'm not like a you know drill sergeant But I also was raised with like everything was hugs love and praise and everything was so good and as a kid I loved that when I was little little and I was super shy I needed that and so there's a place for that but very quickly when I was like 13 I was like I need you to stop telling me everything's so good because if it's so good I would be the best right like I wouldn't have any room to grow
I want to know what I can do better. And so I love doing that. I love holding people accountable and catching them on their words and holding them when they say they're going to move their body every day. And then I say, did you move your body? And they say, no. And I said, why? What was it? And then we can get to the point of it so we can do better. Yeah. That.
Sarah Jordan-ross (37:19)
Because if we don't have somebody to hold us accountable to doing what we say we're going to do, it's easy to just not do it.
Ashley Borromeo (37:28)
Yeah, because excuses are endless, right? I mean, and life is always happening and it's not easy. If it was easy, everybody would be, you know, incredibly abundant in all areas of their lives. Health, love, relationships, fitness, wellness. you'd be, everybody would be whatever perfect is, right? So no, everybody would just be, you know, one big family of perfect. Could you imagine that'd be awful? That'd be so boring.
Sarah Jordan-ross (37:49)
We wouldn't have any problems.
Can I?
No. We're both pulling funny faces. No, I don't want
Ashley Borromeo (37:59)
It's the yeah.
You don't want that right. And we are all so unique, but if we don't hold ourselves accountable to pulling that best version of us out of us, right? Like I, I always sometimes think about this with my daughter. we have a cat and I'll say, you know, like they have their little jobs or little chores. We don't even call them chores. It's a job. Like we're in this house together. We're a team. So you live here. You can help. We're.
Sarah Jordan-ross (38:27)
of being part of a family.
Yep.
Ashley Borromeo (38:29)
Yeah.
so they don't get like allowance or any of that. No, they don't get paid to do their chores. Like it's do you have part of the family? So, know, litter box is one of them scoop the litter box. Well, there's a big difference between scooping the litter box, right? And, and making sure that the litter that you just scooped isn't all over the floor and the bag is tied up and it's brought to where it needs to go. And if there is litter on the floor, you know, we sweep it up or we vacuum it like attention to detail, right? I could just let her
Sarah Jordan-ross (38:57)
in Pune.
Ashley Borromeo (38:58)
It's important because how you do one thing is how you do everything, right? Hold yourself accountable and effort matters. The amount of effort that you put into something is a sheer reflection of who you are, you know? And, you know, those are just little tiny things. That's another reason why I like homeschooling because I get to see these things all the time. You know, I get to hold them accountable, but, and they hold me accountable to things, which is great. But I think
Yeah. So I think, you know, if we don't have somebody to hold us accountable, can easily on the days where we just don't feel like it, right? Or on the days where it's just, we're running out of time. We'll do, we'll do it later. We can't miss this thing. It's too easy. It's too easy to just let your guard down and slip back into old habits or, know, whatever.
Sarah Jordan-ross (39:48)
get comfortable with the uncomfortable or the yeah it's just easier.
Ashley Borromeo (39:53)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (39:54)
Yeah.
So now I asked this question quite a lot because at Tabby Talk we're all about talking about stuff that we don't generally talk about. So here it is. What's the one conversation you think the world needs to have more often, but we're still not having it.
Ashley Borromeo (40:06)
Mmm.
Gosh.
One, I feel like right now my first answer in my head was education. It's education. And I think what education is, is probably a conversation that, and we're having it a lot more. I don't know about Australia where you are, but here in the US, more and more and more and more people are homeschooling. And I'm not saying that's the route of education either for everybody. Like I'm not saying that. But more and more people are challenging the status quo and not just doing it like they were raised, right? Not just following the generational path.
And so I think with the education, I want to look this up actually again, cause it's been a while and I know I'm, I know it's, it's been so long. know I'm going to butcher it, but I read a book whenever I first started homeschooling. Cause I was like, I need to educate myself if this is really what I can handle. And, you know, why, why is even homeschooling a thing? Why is homeschooling thing? Why are charter schools and magnet schools? And I don't know again what the schools look like over there, but there's so many ways to school your kids. And I'm like schooling like,
schooling and I I very much felt very much aware. I remember when I graduated high school and I loved school by the way growing up. I loved school. was not I loved it. I loved the people I loved the that expectation of like turning it in and always trying to like I won't say I was a teacher's pet but I definitely wanted to like get their approval. I was I was an overachiever in that regard. So like if it was a two-page paper, I would do two and a half just because I wanted to go above and beyond or three, you know, I would write it with my gel pen or you know
Sarah Jordan-ross (41:21)
me too.
Ashley Borromeo (41:42)
these little things. That's the kid that I was. so I loved it, but I do remember when I graduated high school, I left the parking lot, like I drove out and I remember feeling a sense of freedom. And that was, I remember then at 17 years old, that was alarming to me. I was like, what freedom? And then was like, should I be scared? Am I on my own? Like, is this a, is this a
Is this a fear of like you're in the real world now you're done with school and if you go to college that's on you if you don't go to college that's on you like are is that what I remember thinking is that what I'm feeling and I and I actually thought into it and I felt into it and those aren't the words I would have used at 17 but that's what I did and I remember thinking oh like no one's gonna tell me I have to sit inside of a room when it's gorgeous outside or no one's gonna tell me that I can't go eat this for lunch because I'm
craving that, I want that, and I didn't bring that for lunch or I can drive because I have an extra 15 minutes to get there, I don't have to be back. And that, when I realized that, my whole perspective of the school that I thought I loved, growing up I loved school, was actually more of a people pleasing thing than it was me loving school. I wanted to please everybody, I wanted to stand out, I wanted to have...
You know, recognition, that's actually what it was. It wasn't, I loved school. School was constricting. I felt like it was like jail. Like I could only eat at a certain time. I could only go pee if I had enough hall passes. I could only like, couldn't be late. It was so stressful. I was tired. I wanted to sleep in, but I couldn't, you know, like that's, that's discipline, right? So there's a place for that. Not taking that away. However, the way I parent my kids and with homeschooling, my children are doing things and we're not
Sarah Jordan-ross (43:24)
Yes.
Ashley Borromeo (43:34)
special and little like special snowflakes over here. But the way we're doing life or dancing through it, I get to see what they love from the very beginning. My son loves origami. He has done origami since he was four years old and could start folding paper like really well. That's math, you know. He loves geometry. Well, that's origami, you know, and
He loves 3d printing. So we have a 3d printer that we got a couple of years ago for all the kids and we put their names on it and he makes the coolest little things and, and he flexes his creativity and it's all ratios and it's math again. He's very strong in math. Like there's always math overlying and then my daughter is very creative. She's sows all the time or she, and it's not great, but she's tinkering, right? And she's flexing her little, her little, you know, creativity. It allows.
Sarah Jordan-ross (44:28)
She's finding her thing.
Ashley Borromeo (44:30)
She's learning her thing and she's messing up plenty and that's part of it. Right. But I just feel like with education, if we could talk about that more, I would love to say that more people need to talk about. goes back to everything we said, Sarah, when our parents were raising us, that generation did their thing. Right. And then they raised us to be a little different. Follow. What do you love? Follow what you love. Right. So now we have this, our generation, if you will. Now I feel like the next shift is
start younger, do what you love from the beginning. You don't have to do it everybody else's way for 18 years and then finally do what you want. I think we should be able to do what the heck we want from the beginning. not saying run amok and be careless. I mean, we're disciplined in our house. Like again, part of the family, I expect this. This is the expectation. You know, there's rules, but there's also, I'm gonna treat you like a little human.
Sarah Jordan-ross (45:20)
Yes!
Ashley Borromeo (45:27)
not like a child, like I expect that you and I can have a conversation and maybe I expect too much sometimes. Maybe I hold them to a standard that's maybe above, maybe above their pay grade if you will, but I don't believe so. I know my kids are incredibly smart and incredibly capable. And I think if kids are, and I see it in the studio all the time, if kids are given an ability to have a say,
They'll surprise you. They're so smart. They're so creative. They're so imaginative. Let them be them more from the beginning. And I think education doesn't do that.
Sarah Jordan-ross (45:56)
frequently.
I agree, we have to have rules and structure and that helps us to function but we need that little bit of flexibility in it too and to try new things and see who we are. And I look at my three boys, they are all very, very different. But one thing that I'm going to do is give them that freedom and independence to look at it and to fall flat on their face if that's what's gonna happen. But.
Ashley Borromeo (46:23)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (46:34)
My 13 year old constantly amazes me. Now he was diagnosed with pediatric MS a little over a year ago. The resilience and perseverance that this kid has, he prior to it he taught himself how to do Russian dance watching YouTube clips and he was really really good at it.
Ashley Borromeo (46:45)
Okay.
Sarah Jordan-ross (47:03)
when he fell ill he lost the ability to walk he in the last since july 2020 yeah yeah july 2023 when he went into hospital
Ashley Borromeo (47:07)
Yeah, yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (47:17)
He's walking again, he's swimming, he's running. He works back up to, he's at school for sometimes five days a week. He's not back cross country running yet, but he'll do that. But he has always been a little bit of a techie. Loves technology, he's brilliant at it. So.
He actually edits mine and Jeff's podcasts and puts little clips together and does all of that and it was because that's what he's interested in so we said yep if that's what you want to do. A few years ago he decided he wanted a PlayStation and we made the deal with him that if he mowed the lawn and did jobs around the house to earn
Ashley Borromeo (47:53)
Awesome!
Sarah Jordan-ross (48:15)
the money and half the money then we'd... he sat down and worked out exactly how many times he had to mow the lawn and he got his PlayStation.
Ashley Borromeo (48:24)
And my calculations say.
Sarah Jordan-ross (48:26)
Yeah. No, it's that. Hey! And then that's Harrison. And then yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Lachlan. He's my arty crafty builder. We had a door handle fall off and he's just looked at it and gone, I can fix that. And off he goes and fixes it.
Ashley Borromeo (48:28)
I love this kid. love it. What's his name? Harrison. You said it at the beginning, Harrison. We'll edit, but I knew it was an H. I couldn't remember it.
Mmm. Yeah.
Thank you.
Sarah Jordan-ross (48:56)
or the things that kid can do with a hot glue gun. He didn't fix the door handle with a hot glue gun. And then Jackson, my littlest one, he has ADHD and...
Ashley Borromeo (48:57)
my god.
That's my daughter.
You'd be surprised.
Sarah Jordan-ross (49:11)
where we're learning how to navigate that but at all of six years old he comes out and he's describing everything about the kyber belt. He's like he's six, where did he? Because that was what he was interested in and he went and learnt everything about it and sometimes he'll come out with things that's like where did you get that? I read it or I saw it on YouTube or I... Sorry.
Ashley Borromeo (49:23)
Yeah. Hyper-focused. Yep.
Sarah Jordan-ross (49:40)
They constantly amaze me. They each have such different abilities and I can't wait to see what they're going to do with that. It's so much that, and I say all the time with a lot of things, we don't all fit nice and neatly into particular little boxes and that's okay.
Ashley Borromeo (49:48)
Yeah.
No.
Sarah Jordan-ross (50:09)
But we do need to find where we belong and belonging and fitting in a different things as Brené Brown quite frequently says and that might be a topic to chat about one day. Two.
Ashley Borromeo (50:24)
Yeah, and you
mentioned one or two questions ago, the importance of community for both of us, and that's it for two, right? You'll find your tribe. You'll find your tribe. And sometimes it takes longer for some people, and there's a lot of heartache and disappointment, and that happens. Again, that's just building character and letting you learn more about yourself, and it's part of the dance.
Sarah Jordan-ross (50:29)
Mmm. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Ashley Borromeo (50:49)
But there is something beautiful in their individual interests. And I have that in my house too. know, there's some of them, some of their interests are so polar opposite from each other. It's like they would never ever have anything to talk about at the dinner table. Cause they're like, what language are you even speaking? And why are you not understanding? Like talking about different things, but at the same thing, it's that awareness that like, we all know that a certain topic is going to just resonate so much more with one of my daughters than the other. Right. And a certain topic is going to make my son just geek out about it. And
And we love it the energy that comes alive when you bring a topic into conversation that that specific person or even myself like you talk about certain things and I'm like And my kids are like, my gosh, mom. Are you done? I'm like no. my gosh and this and that they're like and they're so attentive They're like, yes mom, know, they They love they I can tell they love me or they wouldn't put up with half the crap I share with them but like it's so excited but it's that and it's education for me in that sense of
really allowing them opportunities to just discover more. So I just wish, even if it was public school, like I just wish the kids all had like an hour a day to just do whatever lit them up, not just whatever you want. That's not it. There's no like, you can just sleep if you want to. You can get on your phone and you can play a video game. I mean, there's nothing wrong with video games. I actually could have a whole conversation about that too, but.
Within a parameter of are you learning and it doesn't matter what you're learning find something that you want to learn and Discover more of so your son would read something about this and your son over here would be building this and this one over here would be you know diving into it I just wish there was more freedom from the beginning, know of they have free time in kindergarten and in preschool You know where they can just free play and craft with whatever they want But you know, I don't know about kindergarten as much anymore But you know first grade through eight through eighteen through through graduating high school
There's not a lot of freedom in your education. Now when you go home, you can do what you want, but not all kids get to go home and just do what they want. You know, some kids go home and they have to help work or they have to go to their, they get to go to their sport, but you know, they're, they're training in other ways and yeah. So it's just that individual.
Sarah Jordan-ross (53:02)
We're all very
scheduled and structured and there's not that... But I know it is one thing that I've tried to do here. was like, pick one activity that that's what you want to do. And I try to have as much unscheduled time for them as I can so that it's like, yeah, if we want to, we can just go to the park or yeah, we can sit down and they're wanting to teach me how to play Minecraft.
Ashley Borromeo (53:05)
Yes.
Yes.
How's that going for you?
Sarah Jordan-ross (53:32)
I'm trying.
Sorry. I thought...
Ashley Borromeo (53:39)
You're fine, you're fine. How's Minecraft going?
I find it very difficult.
Sarah Jordan-ross (53:44)
Yeah, I can't get the controller to work properly. So... My brain just doesn't work that way.
Ashley Borromeo (53:48)
My five-year-old is like, Mom, you just...
It's alarming, Sarah. It's alarming how difficult it is for me to just maneuver the controller, let alone be able to like actively create or build something. Maneuvering the controller is difficult. And I'm like, wow, they do it and they make it look so easy. Am I, what's wrong with me? There's a skill there, you know, the brain, the way it works.
Sarah Jordan-ross (54:13)
Yeah
Yeah, it's a very definite skill.
Ashley Borromeo (54:20)
I love that
you're doing that with your kids though, that's awesome. Or that at least you're letting them try to do that with you.
Sarah Jordan-ross (54:26)
Yeah. I will admit I don't mind when they say, Pat enough now. It's like, good.
Ashley Borromeo (54:28)
That's awesome.
You're like, thank
goodness. Me too. I just didn't want to say anything. I actually can't play video games too long with my kids. I feel sick. I get like motion sickness. I'm like, I can't look at the screen anymore. You guys, it's too much. Like mom, it's not even moving. We're not even moving that fast. I'm like, I know, I'm sorry. Blame your brother because I never got motion sickness until I got pregnant with your brother. So it's kind of his fault.
Sarah Jordan-ross (54:43)
Yeah.
Yep. Pass the buck.
Ashley Borromeo (54:59)
Yeah, I'm like, I really,
loved roller coasters. I loved the little teacups at Disney World where we'd spin. It was like my favorite thing. I got pregnant and I couldn't even go on a swing. was like, this is not working for me. It just never went away.
Sarah Jordan-ross (55:10)
Yep. Now
there's another mum conversation. yeah. Hyperamesis, Gravidarum, from conception to delivery with all three of them. Yes, I know I was a crazy person, but it's just like.
Ashley Borromeo (55:17)
Yeah, yeah.
Sarah Jordan-ross (55:28)
But me and my friends, used to, that you either get the nightmare pregnancy and that you get the dream baby or it's the other way around. So I'm kind of glad I did it the way I did. Mine, like, yes, we did have a few issues with feeding to start with, but they slept really well right from the, yeah, they were.
Ashley Borromeo (55:37)
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Sarah Jordan-ross (55:53)
Harrison
in particular lulled me into a false sense of security. He was just such an easy baby.
Ashley Borromeo (55:58)
Wow.
Sarah Jordan-ross (56:00)
So.
Ashley Borromeo (56:01)
Yeah, none of mine have been easy. Again, right? Like, you know, that's like the mothering thing. That's like the homeschooling thing. Like something about talking to other moms, you'd think that we'd all be so united, right? Like we all would understand. go through variations of everything. but that even that conversation could be polarizing, right? Like my head, such a baby that did, and then you have a mom that's like, well, good for you. You know, it's beautiful though, because the journey.
Sarah Jordan-ross (56:03)
No.
Ashley Borromeo (56:30)
You never know what you're going to get. You never know what you're going to get. I love that. That's awesome.
Sarah Jordan-ross (56:34)
And
that I think is a beautiful note to end our chat today. Thank you so much for being here, for sharing your story and your light and how you love to light other people up. Your work's a beautiful reminder that healing doesn't have to be heavy and joy and movement are all expressions of part of our journey. And it's a fun journey to go on.
So for those listening, I hope today's conversation inspired you to reconnect with your body, your spirit, your sense of aliveness, to just dance through life and do life your way. So if you'd like to connect with Ashley, join one of her programs or learn more about Dance Through Life or her other program, TapFit Family, which is kind of cool. There'll be links in the show notes so that you can.
get in touch with her. And as always if this episode resonated with you share it. Share it with someone who needs to hear what we've been talking about today. Don't forget to subscribe, leave us a review or send me a message on social. I love hearing your thoughts, your takeaways and ideas for the kind of stories that you want me to share. The kind of stories you want to hear.
So until next time, take care of yourself, take care of each other. Remember you are not alone and your stories really do matter so please please keep sharing them. Until next time.
Ashley Borromeo (58:17)
Thank you so much, Sarah. Bye.