In this soul-stirring episode of Taboo Talk with Sarah, I sit down with someone who’s not only a dear friend but also a powerhouse in the world of leadership, purpose, and personal transformation—Celine Egan. With over four decades of experience in business, wellness, and faith-driven leadership, Celine brings a unique blend of wisdom, heart, and authenticity to the table. We talk about purpose, grief, motherhood, and faith—and how to lead from a place of love, even in the face of life’s hardest challenges. From building businesses to building families, Celine shows us what it means to live a life on purpose, for a purpose.
✔️ Living on Purpose – Why discovering your God-given purpose is key to a life of impact and fulfillment
✔️ Navigating Grief & Loss – Celine’s journey with the loss of her granddaughter and how faith carried her through
✔️ The Power of Presence – How to truly see, hear, and hold space for others in a distracted world
✔️ Wisdom of Age – Why society needs to value elders and lean into their lived experience
✔️ The ACE Check-Up – Celine’s life framework: Attitude, Commitment, and Effort
🗣️ “My business is not just my passion—it’s my purpose and my ministry.”
🗣️ “There’s no such thing as perfection, but there is commitment. That’s where the magic happens.”
🗣️ “If I see potential in someone, it’s my responsibility to shine a light on it—it’s their responsibility to live it out.”
⏱️ 00:00 – Welcome & Sarah introduces Celine
⏱️ 01:55 – Finding purpose & showing up with intention
⏱️ 06:12 – The wisdom that comes from valleys, not just mountaintops
⏱️ 08:30 – How to do an ACE check-in: Attitude, Commitment, Effort
⏱️ 14:15 – Grief, motherhood, and faith: What Celine learned through the loss of her granddaughter
⏱️ 19:03 – The value of peer groups & guarding your inner circle
⏱️ 26:30 – How to truly hold space for others and be present
⏱️ 33:56 – Why we need to talk about loss, mental health & taboo topics
⏱️ 37:05 – The conversation the world needs: bringing back common sense, compassion & respect
⏱️ 49:30 – Celine’s challenge: Take personal responsibility, show up with love
⏱️ 52:00 – Final reflections & the ripple effect of intentional kindness
Celine Egan
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Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:00) Hey everybody and welcome back to Taboo Talk with Sarah, the space where we break the silence, foster hope and dive into the conversations we don't have often enough but we really should be having. Today I'm doing something a little special. I get to sit down with someone who's not only an incredible leader, mentor and speaker, but someone very dear to my heart who I am privileged to call friend. Celine Egan isn't just a powerhouse in the personal development and wellness world.
She's someone whose presence makes people feel truly seen, heard and understood. She's been instrumental in transforming lives, including my husband Jeff's playing a beautiful role in his faith journey. Her spirituality, empathy and deep sense of purpose shine through in everything that she does. And today we get to go behind the titles, the accolades, the leadership podiums and see into the woman behind it all.
Celine Egan (00:59)
Wow
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:59)
I am
so, so happy to have you here.
Celine Egan (01:04)
Thank you Sarah that was a beautiful introduction I think that's one of the nicest introductions I've ever had so that's just gorgeous that's absolutely gorgeous so thank you so much I feel really honored I feel really really honored to be here I mean I've gosh I've known you guys now for gosh I don't
Sarah Jordan-Ross (01:14)
Thank
11 years.
Celine Egan (01:24)
11 years, my god,
my goodness me, there we go, and that's pretty amazing, that is awesome, I love it, I love it, I love it, so yes, I've watched your boys grow up, you know, and we've ridden the roller coaster of life, faith, journey, business, all of those things together over that time, so, honored to be here, thank you so much for having me as a guest on your podcast.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (01:29)
Yep.
Yes.
Thank you for coming, because we're going to have lots of fun. We always do when we get together. you've won lots and lots of hats in your journey and do lots of interesting things. But what is it that keeps that fire burning, that keeps you showing up how you show up? And what fun things have you got coming up?
Celine Egan (01:55)
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Oh my gosh. Well I think I'm going to take that into parts. So the first part of it is what keeps me showing up. And I think it's because I did a lot of work early on about really finding my purpose.
and you know what was that about? Why did God have me here? Like I mean what was it? You know what did that actually look like? so you know for me my purpose is to inspire people to live life on purpose for a purpose. And so I look at that in everything that I get to be able to do. And so it was just very much early on it was when I was trying to find you know where does God want me? Where am I sitting?
and all of this and all the rest kind of thing. thought, know, okay, I'm not going to be the traditional, you know, member where, you know, maybe I help with the hospitality or I do this or I do that. I really wanted to make a difference. I really want to dig in and all of those things are, all of those roles are super, super important. And I tried them all, but I realized that they weren't innately me. And so what I realized was I was blessed with certain gifts and, you know, that was primarily around business and, you know, building business and helping other people to build business and inspiring those.
And so what I really became quite clear on was that my purpose was to really help people to be able to show up in their authentic self to be able to live a life on purpose for a purpose. So that they got to be able to do that. And so for me it was about, I look at my business, I look at what I do, I was talking to somebody yesterday and a medical professional, you know, they'd asked a whole heap of questions and on there was, you know, what are your hobbies?
And she said, I was really surprised that you put down that, you know, what you do, your work and your business is your hobby. And I said, it's because I absolutely am blessed to love what I do because the impact I know that it can make for people. And so my business is not only my passion, it's not only my purpose, but it's my ministry. And so that's what keeps me on fire and lit up. Still 42 years down the road in this profession,
and in this particular with the Beautiful Juice Plus Company for now, what am I, 2009, so it's been a while. Yeah.
Yes, so was the first half of that actually. I just realized it. The second half is...
What have I got that's exciting at the moment? I mean I've got so much that's exciting. do, it was really interesting though, this year I really felt God saying to me keep the one thing, the main thing, the main thing. so I am super focused on how we can continue to build through our business and impact people both from a health perspective, a wealth perspective and a faith perspective. And it's actually been really interesting because I've been able to manage to kind of align all of those things in this one vehicle.
But of course, I also love where it is that I can add value. So coming on things like your podcast here today, I'm on a training with the LA Tribune with Jeff next month I believe, I think that is in May and that too. So where I can show up to be able to add value if there's anything that I can add from my wisdom, not just a business mom, but a business woman, but I'm a mom, I'm a grandmother now as well and I think that
As we age, I just turned 60 as well, so as we age there is a level of wisdom that I know has definitely come and I think as a society, a Western society, I actually don't know that we value enough.
you know, that's a whole other topic which we may even get into but I feel like that there is probably something in that too.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (06:12)
Yes, we don't always value that wisdom that's gained over years and of enduring through those hard times. So we often glamorize those mountaintop moments, but that success and the whole overnight success that all of us know is anything but overnight. But that thing that we forget about is that, that in between time and those seasons where there's doubt.
Celine Egan (06:23)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (06:38)
There's grief, there's change, there's reinvention. And those moments when... Yeah!
Celine Egan (06:42)
There's the face-drying moments.
Like you
know, I went earlier this week, you know, I had a face down moment and I was kind of going, know, gosh, you know, what's, what's, what is this about, you know, and of course, you know, having a really good, I'm so blessed, I suppose, that the study I've done over the years gives me a lot of tools. And you know, people say to me, oh, you know, why do you study? Why do you keep learning and all the rest kind of thing? I because I love the tools to be able to help because we're, never have arrived, you know, I don't believe that we will have arrived till we're at home, you know, in heaven with Jesus kind of thing. Now when I get there,
I'm going to have a few conversations about that because my goodness there have been definitely some valleys and that but in that you know in that moment kind of thing in that face down moment you're right like I mean you know people look at the high points and people will often say to me my gosh I'd love to do what you do and you know I'll sometimes say to people would you?
Would you be prepared to actually, because all you're seeing is a highlight reel maybe. I mean I'm quite authentic in how I show up and how I talk to people, but at the same time too, for the most part, what we are seeing on social media and people's stories and in lives and even for the most part, know, people say to you, how are you going? you're great, fantastic kind of thing, and you literally have been on the floor in a fetal position crying or whatever it might be, just because there has been, life has happened, that's it, just life has happened.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (08:03)
Yes.
Celine Egan (08:05)
and we've made something of it kind of thing and you know I love one of my coaches and mentors talks a little you know a lot around you know little circle big circle. Little circle is what's happened and big circle is the story we make up about it and so you know in that face down moment the other day I had that moment of going okay well what's actually the facts in this story and now what am I making up about it and actually is it true?
But people don't get to always see those things. So I think the wisdom of aging just means that we've gone through those highs and lows more often. And so we've actually learned resilience. We've learned that it's actually about getting up dusting yourself off and that everything is cyclical. And I love, we think about how
you it was really quite clever. We think about how God made the world kind of thing, know, you've got summer, which is all the high points, it's, yoo-hoo, it's fantastic, life is fantastic, the sun is shining and all the rest kind of thing. And, you know, but what comes after summer?
Well, autumn, a time of being able to purge and whatever like that. Winter, which, you know, a lot of people kind of go, well, they don't want to do winter. But then out of winter becomes spring, and out of spring comes summer. You know, it's, life is a duality.
It's a duality. We can't have happy without sad because we wouldn't know what it was. We can't have light without dark because we wouldn't know what it was. It's all about the duality and so I oftentimes will coach people and talk people about whether it's in business or whether it's personal. The reality is there is no such thing as perfection, okay? There is no such thing as everything being all rosy all of the time. What there is though is commitment.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:25)
Yeah, exactly.
Celine Egan (09:50)
there is commitment to actually and I love one of my other mentors you know early on in my career talked to me about doing an ACE check up every month on my business and life and I'm kind of going ACE, okay what's that? ACE at my card now. So ACE stands for attitude, commitment, effort.
What is my attitude? It is. It's a great little one and I've remembered it and that's like, you know, probably 30, 40 years nearly. But you know, it is. And I do it regularly with myself as well, you know, especially if I'm kind of in a bit of funk and I kind of go, okay, well, what's my attitude around this? You know, yes, this could be all happening around me, but what's my attitude around this? You know, so doing that check in on going, okay, do I have an attitude of gratitude? Because no matter what's going on, there is always something to be grateful for. We woke up this morning,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:39)
Yeah.
Celine Egan (10:40)
I'm pretty grateful for that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:41)
That's a big one. Yeah.
Celine Egan (10:42)
There's
a lot of people that did not, okay? You know, I am healthy, I am grateful for that. I have got amazing children and chosen children with my beautiful two daughter-in-laws and son-in-law. I am grateful for that. I am blessed that we have an angel in heaven, Neve, our first grandchild who looks down on top of us and then who's continuously sending us boys because I've got four amazing grandsons. I'm grateful for that. And we've got another one as we speak, we've got another one that's actually cooking as well.
grateful for that. So no matter what, no matter how kind of you know challenging something might be, when you take a moment to go okay just what are three or four things I can be grateful for in this moment, in this moment it will shift your perspective straight away.
The second thing is commitment because we can have goals and dreams and all the rest kind of thing but are we truly committed to it? You know? Or are we going to do it when it's convenient? It's the two C's. We can either be committed and we're showing up no matter what, we're honoring our word or we can do it when it's convenient.
and they're two very, very different things. And then E is effort. Are we prepared to put our overalls on and actually go to work? Or are we just gonna go a little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit there, a little bit there kind of thing, or you know, I use it a lot in this industry, in this beautiful profession of ours, you know, are we constantly gonna be trying to ride two horses? Because we've got one butt. And you know, if you think about the analogy of that of you trying to ride two horses, you're not riding either of them well, and it could end up disastrous.
as you fall on your back. And so I really, you know, I really think that in the world where we have so many distractions that we want to go, my goodness, that's the next best thing. I'm going to do that. no, no, hang on. No, no, no, I'm going to do that because that's the next, no, no, Where is, absolutely, BSOs, where is our ace checkup in that? Where is our attitude, our commitment and our effort? And that...
Sarah Jordan-Ross (12:20)
Yep.
Mm.
Yep. Bright shiny objects.
Celine Egan (12:47)
How are we going to commit to making the one thing, the one thing and all that? So no matter what that is, that could be around your relationship. What's my attitude around my relationship kind of thing? Yep, you can have a bad day, you can have an argument or whatever like that, but what's my attitude? Is it just a moment in time or am I going to make it something bigger than that? Like am I going to make it, my gosh, that's it, finished, it's done or whatever. What's my commitment?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (13:11)
Throw the baby out with the
bath water.
Celine Egan (13:13)
Exactly, you know, what's my commitment in here? You know, people say, know, often times will say, our relationships are 50-50. No, they're not. They're 100-100. Are you bringing 100 % of yourself and then are you prepared to put the effort in? So ACE Checkup can be used in any of those things. And I've got so many of those tools that I've learned over the years that really do hold me in good stead to be able to navigate life, business, whatever.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (13:42)
to handle whatever gets thrown at you. Now you mentioned your beautiful granddaughter, your beautiful angel baby granddaughter. So we've both seen loss and grief and how that experience shapes us. Now I know that you've held space for others during some of their darkest times and you've been through some
Celine Egan (13:49)
Yes. Yeah.
Yes.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:09)
pretty dark ones yourself. So how does that journey with it? What's that taught you about love and leadership and, and faith? And you've mentioned a few tools that you've been grateful that you've had in the toolkit.
Celine Egan (14:15)
Mmm.
Yeah, absolutely. think, so when you go through those challenges and know, Neve, for the time that she was in our life, taught us so much and I'm so, grateful for her and it's, you know, it's one of those journeys that you don't ever wish on people but you know, the saying where everything does happen for a reason is hard to hear but it's actually so true.
Because when I look at the journey of Niamh, you know, she brought us even closer if it was possible as a family. Because we united.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:04)
Yeah. And looking at your family, I wouldn't have thought that it was, but yeah.
Celine Egan (15:09)
Yeah,
well, you know, I mean, I feel so blessed because we, you know, we've worked hard on that over the years, but it even it just solidified even more because, you know, watching watching my sons come around their sister and, you know, my daughter-in-law is in that, you know, and they'll come around their brother-in-law and all the rest kind of thing in those times and those discussions, but also how we've continued to honor like Neve is an integral part of our family and that as well. But going through that journey,
It was definitely one of the hardest times because as a mother, my heart was breaking for my baby. That was the thing. I cried out to God going,
How do I help her? Like what is it that I do? How do I stand in this gap right now? Because it was hard, was a hard, there were hard decisions to be made and it was such a hard journey and it was challenging because it challenged some of what I believed in and I believe in miracles, I believe in all those things and sometimes when we don't see what we expect to happen.
not happen kind of thing that you know we can kind of you know go into a whole blame scenario but a couple of things I really learned through there was one
I really, and this is not a judgment on anybody who's listening here, but I don't know how people walk some of those journeys without a faith. You know, from what we know, what we really truly believe is that Neve is in heaven and that we will get to see her again and that I'm so excited about. In fact, it's funny, on my walk this morning it pops up because it's the fourth of the month. She was born on the fourth of December and on the fourth of the month I have a little thing that pops up, Neve. Just Neve every month.
She's in my mind or thoughts oftentimes but on the fourth of the month I have a little pop-up so I was having a grand out chat with her this morning as I was walking along and you know I lost my first baby and and so you know I I you know I said to her you know I hope you're having fun with Alex can't wait to kind of get up I mean and I'm saying to her now I really do hope that you're actually sending us another little girl because you've got all these boys now you know and it can't be just about you you know so I have these conversations with her you know as we go
Sarah Jordan-Ross (17:25)
you
Celine Egan (17:31)
So because I truly, truly believe, and this is not everybody's belief and that's totally okay.
But I truly believe that, you know what, I'm going to walk through the pearly gates of heaven and she's going to be there, you know, with us. And I truly believe that. from that perspective, it did teach me a lot and I had some really profound conversations with God through that time. something that for some, or maybe seen from the outside, that it would weaken my faith because that journey didn't go quite through. It actually took it to a whole other level, which I didn't actually think was possible.
the love in our family I think to a whole other level which again I didn't think that it was possible and that but the other thing too was that it showed me and reminded me of the importance of having the right people around you and that that inner circle that core group of people that walk with you through some of the hardest times with no judgment
that are just there because they love you. They may not always agree with everything, you know, we're all kind of thing, you know. You know, I've had a conversation with Jeff not that long ago kind of thing where there's some parts of kind of going, you know what, just be mindful of this or be mindful of that kind of thing, you know what? And it's kind of going, but there's no judgment because at the end of the day, he's big enough to make his own decisions. But that there is a trust there that you can have those kinds of conversations
Sarah Jordan-Ross (18:34)
There's the big one.
Celine Egan (19:03)
and know that the conversations are being had because people genuinely care. And so what I found in that journey were the people who understood. They just were there because they wanted to love on us, our family, and be present and be...
around and so that peer group we hear it often enough but I cannot stress enough to people who are listening and watching this that in business, in life it is vital. know Jim Rohn and many many speakers say you know you're the sum of the five people that you spend the most time with and it is so true. Who is the peer group? Who are the people that you are surrounding yourself with? Who are you listening to? What are you putting into your mind?
What are you watching? What are you reading? Who you following on social media? If they are not adding to your life, if they're not bringing value, remove it kind of thing. Now some people say to me, what if it's my family? Okay, I know you can't remove your family.
But you can choose though, you can choose what you allow to come into your psyche. So you may need to be physically present and that's okay. We love everybody unconditionally. But just because we love everybody unconditionally does not mean that they need to be in our sphere of influence all of the time. And so that journey taught me so many things but it also reminded me of the...
the value of having the right people in my peer group.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (20:42)
But making sure that the advice that you're listening to is actually stuff that you want to be listening to, that it's going to take you where you need to be and not stuff that's going to pull you off track. Because sometimes we're... Yeah!
Celine Egan (20:56)
And then it's not their agenda, that it's not that,
you know, because, because, I don't know, like, mean, especially with social media, advent of social media and whatnot, there is, there's always the next best thing. And so, you know, people can be talking to you or having conversations with you about something, but you can feel there's another agenda behind it.
you know like it and that and so who the people that you listen to there is no agenda the only agenda is to be able to hold space for you in that moment or offer you genuine advice or whatever like that and I'm not saying like I mean people you know earn a living and all the rest kind of thing but I think it's just so important I think with social media there's a lot of bait and switch so they're bringing you in the door for this but then suddenly it's this and that and you know I think be mindful of who you trust to be able to walk lives
journeys with, whether that's business journey, relationships journey, friendship journey, fate journey, all of those kinds of things in all areas. I think it's so, so important.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (21:53)
Yeah, because it is unfortunate that now so much of what you see is not what you get. And social media, we say, yeah, yeah. And it is possible now that AI can actually sound like a real person. I know Jeff uses AI quite a bit. That's his jam. But
Celine Egan (22:02)
Now, I'm in AI, it's like pshh.
Totally.
Yep, totally.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:22)
He has trained it so that it knows how he communicates, it knows how he puts things, how he phrases things, so that then what he's putting out there is his voice and it's not just AI gobbledygook, but...
Celine Egan (22:39)
Yeah, absolutely. There's so much good stuff, but
it's also being aware of the dark side of that. I think that's the thing.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:49)
because,
because yet so much of it, it's, it's a tool and like any tool, it can be used for good, it can be used for great constructive purposes. But it can also be anything that you can use to build something you can use to knock it down, too. So and we need to remember that building each other up is what we should be be focusing on not tearing each other down. And sometimes it when somebody is just seeing the highlight reel of someone else's
Celine Egan (22:59)
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (23:19)
life. They don't know what's gone on behind. then there's also even just this last week, I saw some posts that Dr. Jeremy Colson put up about stuff that's going on on the internet and really bad behavior that needs to be called out. it's like, what has happened that has led to that? And I will admit, that's a conversation I'd love to have on a
on another episode of that but some of I got out of that was yeah one line he said was we're drowning and no one's putting up a safety fence so we need to put up the the safety fence
Celine Egan (24:01)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why the things I talked about, you know, the
tools, doing the learning, the peer groups, all of those things are all so important because technology is fantastic. I'll know, I do love it. We use it a lot of business and that as well. But
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:12)
They're really important.
Celine Egan (24:18)
there's still the human element that is so, so important. And so when you look at some of the things like this, some programs are not at the moment, the kind of things that are talking about, you know, young children being, you know, sucked into, you know, the web and all of these kinds of things, the isolation that comes from some of that, that's why it is vital that you've got peer group around you that will call you on that, that will be there to support you, that will be able to kind of, you know, be that hand down.
when you need a handout and that too. So all of those things are vital. And I think that, know, and again, it's like one of my first points that I made, like it's around where having been around the block a few times, you kind of, you learn that, you know, absolutely there are so many things that have changed over time. I remember, I remember when mobile phones were just attached to cars.
And that, or it was a brick and whatever like that kind of thing. Yes, the eyes, that's how old I am. But you know, like, I mean, they're the things kind of thing and has it gone and you know, now we've got a full-fledged computer, you know, in our pockets or whatever like that. And there's so many advantages to it, but it also...
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:21)
Yes!
Celine Egan (25:35)
has changed like you know how hard it is to switch off you know how do we you know we're bombarded the whole time if you allow it if you allow that to be the thing that actually is so technology all of that is brilliant but it's also I think equipping humans I think we need to be equipping humans to be humans to have human interactions to have human relationships to have you know time when you're not attached
because you know from a mental perspective and a physical perspective that's not useful for us as we go forward and I think it's going to be very interesting to see this next generation as they come true what that actually all looks like so yeah there's so much and the wisdom of age I think gives us a different perspective on some of these things.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:30)
Yeah. And you are very good at seeing potential in people and seeing what they could be capable of. And you have a way of making people feel seen and safe to, I know I've had times where I've been able to just like when I am in a
in a spot where I just need to go, blah. And that you have actually been that safe space for me to do that. So where does that come from for you? How do you hold that space for people? And how can we all do that a little bit better? Because with the world being as crazy busy as it is, it is really easy not to see the things that are straight in front of
Celine Egan (26:54)
Yeah. Yeah.
What? Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:20)
to not notice when somebody's struggling.
Celine Egan (27:21)
absolutely and
I will be the first to admit there are times when I get so busy being busy that I also you know I lose that opportunity to be able to kind of see okay you know where that is.
I do love the opportunity when I can. When I get to be able to be with somebody and you're just in that moment and you're able to be present. So I think it's also like how do you do it? It is about consciously being intentional around having, giving the person in front of you 100 % of your attention. We've got our Juice Plus standards that we have internally here. It's a document, but it's a document we focus on every single week and we take one of them.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:01)
You
Celine Egan (28:07)
and so they're around our how is it that we want to show up as people and so one of them is actually the person in front of me gets 100 % of my attention whether that's in person, phone, email, online, messenger and any other online communication space. Be present, be willing to acknowledge you have heard the person and so it's actually kind of those kinds of things out is just looking at how can you do that and as I said I'm the first to admit I do not do this perfectly all of the time.
at all. But it's intentional about where I can remind myself, okay, be present. Because again, distractions. There's computers, how many tabs have we got open? There's the phone, there's the iPad, there's the laptop, there's all of those kinds of things. How can we actually show up? And the other thing too is that I truly believe that it is part of my purpose.
You know, I, if I want, if my purpose is, you know, to help people to live a life on purpose for a purpose, well, I kind of need to know what that looks like. And the only way that you know that what that looks like is being present to somebody and seeing the potential look, what's the God given potential within that person and then try to unlock. Now it's not my responsibility for them to live it out. It's my responsibility to shine a light on it. It's their responsibility to live it out. And we see many people who die with the potential still intact.
because they never stepped into that or they never took the time. But if I have an opportunity to be able to shine a light on something for someone that I see in someone...
then I actually believe it's my responsibility to do it because that's the purpose that has been laying on my soul. So that's probably what keeps me intentional about wanting to be able to do that is being able to... And then just leaning in, I just kind of, know, a lot of the time it's about what's channeled through me, not from me. And that it's been open to that as well. It's been open to that faith journey that I'm on that, you know, there'll be sometimes I'll kind of go, that was really good.
from. All righty, thanks for that. You know and I will before I go into each interaction, before I stand on stage to talk or whatever it might be, I just kind of go okay you know what.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (30:13)
Yeah.
Celine Egan (30:26)
because I get nervous and whatever like that and then I kind of go, alrighty. It doesn't have to be on my strength, it's on his strength. So if something is channeled through me, I just kind of go, awesome, brilliant. So yeah, so that's it. But I think if I could give anybody a word is be intentional in all of your actions. Be intentional about how you show up in whatever that might be and that be intentional about it. I think that's one of most important things that you can do.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (30:40)
Love that.
And I love hearing that even Selene Egan gets nervous in front of, speaking in front of big audiences.
Celine Egan (31:00)
totally!
I think the day that you're not nervous means it doesn't matter.
That's my, honestly, that's my truth around that. It really is. I am nervous because it matters to me. It matters to me that, you know, even coming on here, like, you know, there's that nervous moment going, okay, you know, again, often times, you know, you can have those not good enough stories, what have I got to offer, or what have I got this, or what have I got that, and you just kind of go, I'm just going to trust this moment that there's going to be something that's going to be able to be delivered to one person. That's it, one person. So it doesn't matter whether I'm standing on a stage
front of thousands I'm only talking to one person because gosh if we get to so today if there's one person out there that actually hears something and goes my goodness that's it okay it's not just about that one person when that one person's life changes everybody that they interact with changes so my visualization always is I'm about to drop a pebble into the water and what's the ripple effect
from just one person. If that happens to me more than that, brilliant, but I'm just speaking to one. And so that's it. So if it's you today, whoever's listening, and it's just that, just think that by you embracing what it is that you've heard, you've kind of got, oh, that's a really good idea. Now, if you don't do anything with it, it's not a great idea. Okay? It might have been a good idea, but you have nothing there. But if you take action, if you apply attitude, commitment, and effort, and you do it, I can honestly tell you that what you will have created is an ongoing
ripple and that's pretty awesome. So you can you imagine if all of us decided that we're going to create a ripple we're going to put the effort in and we're going to create that ripple wow a tsunami of impact and and that's what we're about you know that's for me it's about all about how can I add impact in in in any way that it happens so yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (32:39)
it is.
And what amazing things happen when we do just lean into our gifts, whatever they happen to be and share them with the world. And that's part of why I started the podcast was I'd heard so many people saying similar things or that they'd been through similar experiences. So for example, you and I have both lost babies.
Celine Egan (33:06)
Yep.
totally.
Yep.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:26)
So have, well the rates now are one in four pregnancies. Have a story like Neve's story and that is a lot of people who've been through an experience like that that changes you. It can't help but cancer rates are one in two. So odds are if you haven't had cancer yourself you've cared for somebody who has and that's
Celine Egan (33:31)
Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:56)
has changed you as well. But it's those things that we don't talk about. You could be in a room full of women who have been through that experience, but you would never know.
Celine Egan (34:06)
No, I think it's getting slowly better. think this younger generation are much more open. watched as, know, Kara navigated this and, you know, some of the amazing organizations and everything. There was nothing. There was nothing back when, you know, when I went through that, you did not talk about it. You did not talk about it at all. And so I do believe there's still a long way to go. I think there's still a long way to go. And there's, you know, there are big conversations to be had.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (34:08)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Celine Egan (34:35)
However, I was just blown away by the care and the just the beautiful organizations that have been founded and the majority of them have been founded out of loss. And so that is that other part of it then going, okay, yeah, what does that look like? It's about, again, everything happens for a reason. These organizations are impacting people, but they were first founded generally.
for most of the ones that we dealt with out of a story of loss. But now they're being able to turn that loss into love and being able to pay that forward. it is beautiful. It is a conversation that continues to need needs to be discussed most definitely and support given around it. You know all of that postnatal depression all of those all of those things that have been you know all of that taboo kind of thing.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (35:29)
Mental health.
Celine Egan (35:33)
having those conversations, these journeys, fertility journeys, walking these journeys with people. had a team member who was going through that journey and they were just blown away by, I suppose, the support that we were giving them, which is just natural for us because like, you know, we're moms and there's a lot of moms in here and all the rest kind of thing. But it was, you know, she was in tears one day, genuinely thanking us. And the reason being was that it wasn't the same. This was a long,
a long journey, but it hadn't been the same in previous employment, in previous places kind of thing, not having those understandings. So I think we need to be open to conversations, to go how can we all work together to actually provide support and care for people and at the same time as a business owner I also get to, this is commercial side of things. But what I know to be true and one of my early mentors shared it with me and
was out of, built to last I think it was out of, build the people and the people will build the business. know? Yeah absolutely. you know in an old one that we've had in this whole thing is contact equals care, care equals keep. When people know that you actually care, you'll keep them, that they'll be around because you know you genuinely and people know if you're faking that, if you're just kind of doing it because.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (36:39)
Take care of your people, they take care of your business. Yeah.
Celine Egan (36:58)
you know it's it's being authentically so be be authentic with intention I think that's probably what I'd say
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:05)
a takeaway of wisdom for you. So around here I'm big on talking about stuff that doesn't generally get talked about and we've done it a little bit but what do you think are some of the conversations that we're not having that we really should be?
Celine Egan (37:22)
Look, I think we're living in a world that's hurting. So, you know, I think there's so many conversations that probably we just need to be, I think one of the first things that we need to be able to do is to see everybody as their, you know, your sister or brother in Christ. And that's whether you've got a faith or not, whatever that might look like for you, replace Christ with whatever it is. But seeing everybody as your sister or brother, you know, we're all humans, we're all humanity, and yet people don't
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:25)
very much.
Celine Egan (37:52)
you know, are not thinking right now at the moment about, you know, just decimating people kind of thing, you know, it's not. And whether that is physically through war, which there's a lot of that happening, or emotionally through online bullying and how people are showing up, I mean, seriously, how people talk to one another sometimes online, keyboard warriors, or even some of our politicians, to be honest, how they talk and treat one another. I mean, these are the guys who are supposed to be setting an example, or, you know, and men and women.
for us as generations. you one of the things I actually think that we don't talk about is common sense and good manners. Now I'm definitely sounding old now. I know I can hear it, the cringing already. Oh my goodness me! She's going back to the sixties! Well it wasn't too bad. 1965 was a good year. It was the year I was born. But seriously though, I look at some of the conversations and how people show up online or how they show up with one another or how, you know, like...
you know, our world at the moment is just wanting to undermine different political people or, you know, want to undermine people and all the rest kind of thing. And I know that it's, you know, taboo. Don't talk faith or politics. But I'm not even talking about that. No matter what your beliefs are, no matter what side of the party's lines that you sit on or anything at all like that. What I would love people to start talking about is what's actual proper common sense? How should we be showing up for one another? What is the right thing?
to do? What is the next rightful to do? Like that common sense and that, you know, seeing one another as brothers and sisters, you know, it's one of things I love about network marketing because, know, for most network marketing companies you can build an organization that spans countries like, so a juice plus tea, you know, can build in 26 countries. Well, there's 26 countries that sometimes some of them could be in war with one another. You wouldn't want to kill your damn line.
Do you know what I mean? Do you what mean? It's kind of like, seriously, like, mean, you're all friends. then suddenly, because somebody has a different opinion on it. We saw this in the world, you know, when we had to have this pregnant pause, and people and families were torn apart, because they had a different opinion on something. And, you know, when did it become wrong to have a different opinion? That was, you know, that's kind of, you know, where I go with that. And I just kind of go,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:52)
to solve the problems.
Celine Egan (40:19)
You you might not always have to agree with somebody. That's okay. But it doesn't mean that you need to ostracize people. And so I think that common sense has gone by the wayside and good manners has gone by the wayside in a lot in a lot of cases. I really do. And it's something that we've been, you know, so diligent and so still to this day, our kids are all grown up and all the rest kind of thing, but they still know, gosh, like, you know, if...
If I walk through the door, Mick will always hold the door open for me. And I can hear now the women's Libras going, no, no, no, you can hold. I can hold my own door, absolutely can. But I also have a man who loves me. He loves me and he wants to honor me in that moment. And he will do that. If we're walking down the street, even on our morning walks at five o'clock in the morning, no one can see. He will always put me to the inside. Now, people are probably laughing at it, but it's not about that act. It's not about that specific thing.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:55)
nice one
Celine Egan (41:14)
It's about the fact that he cares enough and that and wants to just do that and it would be anybody who is going through you would step aside to let them in or whatever like that. it's just I just think how people speak to one another how just how people show up and some of these kind of conversations are happening at the moment. I feel like common sense and good manners has gone to the things so they might be archaic ideas kind of you know.
But to me, I just feel that it's so important and I think we will get to a point where it will come back to bite us. I think it will. That if we don't make a stand for some of those things, I think that it could actually have a negative, a very detrimental effect down the line. know, all of us, just takes each of us to really
Sarah Jordan-Ross (42:07)
Great.
Celine Egan (42:12)
be super, super profoundly kind of intentional, again there's that word coming back, intentional about how we show up. How can we respect others? How can we respect people's opinions, agree to disagree if we need to, but do it from a loving perspective and not have to. And also to, I would call out to politicians worldwide, no matter what party you're in, grow up.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (42:38)
Yeah.
Celine Egan (42:40)
you know,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (42:40)
Yes.
Celine Egan (42:40)
actually look at how we can, how can we do better? How can we do better for our people, for our planet, for all of our nations? How can we do better? But anyhow, I could get on a little bit of a soapbox, but I won't.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (42:59)
I'd
be happy to let you because I agree with you. And if the ideas of kindness, compassion, manners and just all around being a good person, regardless of what your beliefs are of doing the right thing just because it's the right thing and showing love and kindness to each other, if those are old fashioned archaic ideas, can I go back there please?
Celine Egan (43:02)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes! An eye! An eye!
Sarah Jordan-Ross (43:29)
Now, okay,
I am the mother of boys and a big thing for me and you've seen it. One of the nicest things somebody's ever said to me was what beautiful manners my children have. Now, I will admit at home they're not always as well behaved as they are in public, but that's okay. But my thing was yes, and that is because they will have good manners if it kills me.
Celine Egan (43:36)
Yes.
That's a guy.
Yeah!
Sarah Jordan-Ross (43:59)
because
kindness doesn't cost anything and we've made a rule with them when they do get online but it's just a general life rule anyway but for online stuff if you wouldn't want your grandmother to read it don't put it out there
Celine Egan (44:12)
Yes.
We used to say exactly the same thing and they're going, oh, but it's the truth. Absolutely. We used say exactly the same thing. If you don't want Freddie to see it and read it, then, yep, don't put it on there. Don't say it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (44:31)
say it yep
and if you wouldn't walk right up to that person and say exactly that same thing to them then don't say it from behind a keyboard
Celine Egan (44:43)
Yeah, So important. Absolutely. know, again, it all comes back down to just common sense. Common sense, you know. Imagine, you know, stop thinking of these people that are there unknowns. They're people, who are somebody's son, daughter, wife, mother, brother, sister, whatever kind of thing. They're real people and so we just need to treat them with respect.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (44:46)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yes, and yeah, it doesn't take much to treat people with respect and kindness. And I know another thing for me as mother of boys, because unfortunately in this world, and women do see things differently. Like your lovely husband puts you to the inside automatically without even thinking. Now I would say, and I'm only saying because I do it, if you're by yourself,
and you've parked your car somewhere. I would say it's probably under a street light or within a direct line of sight of where you're going so no one's going to be able to jump out and surprise you. If you're walking, chances are and you've got your hand in your pocket, chances are your keys are laced through your fingers.
Celine Egan (45:47)
Charlie.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (46:02)
Now, we think of that, but I guarantee our husbands don't because they've not had to. And as the mum of boys, what I want to do is raise my boys so that the women around them don't have to think like that. And my hope is that by doing that, that then creates that ripple that eventually no woman's going to have to think that way. We're not going to have to be
Celine Egan (46:20)
Yep, sir.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (46:31)
super aware of everything that's going on around us just to keep ourselves safe because we will be able to trust that we are safe.
Celine Egan (46:40)
But you know I really do think again, it's not and I totally respect what you're saying there But it's also just not a gender thing because you know I know that I've seen it before where a young man has has tried to do the right thing and they've been brushed aside by a woman going I can do it and so straight away then you're actually
Sarah Jordan-Ross (46:48)
No, it's not. It's a people thing.
Celine Egan (47:01)
Basically saying to that to that man. Well, I don't need your protection or I don't need you to Did you know so if we've got we've got jobs to do on both side of that argument I agree with you totally I mean, you know, we've raised our boys and we're very blessed to have you know amazing young men You know and and that and sorry, you know from that perspective But I also know too that it goes it's on both sides. It needs to we need to allow you know
Sarah Jordan-Ross (47:12)
Definitely.
gentlemen.
Celine Egan (47:30)
We need to allow for men to actually be in a space that they can actually be men. They can be the protectors. Because if they're not the protectors, it can lead to the other side of things there where they become then the aggressor. I think there's arguments, or there's work, not arguments, there's work to be done on both sides of that conversation. But it's definitely a conversation that's worth.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (47:34)
man.
Yeah, this work.
Celine Egan (48:00)
continuing in our societies.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (48:01)
Yeah.
That we all need to know who we are and treat each other.
with kindness and compassion and understanding.
Celine Egan (48:12)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (48:13)
for everyone to know.
I'm struggling to find words and that's not usual for me.
Celine Egan (48:20)
Just be intentional, intentional kindness,
intentional love, you know, that's all it is. That's what it's about.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (48:27)
Yeah. And
to focus on those things that make us the same, that we are all just people doing the best we can with what we have and focus that we are so much more similar than we are different. There is so much more that connects us than there is that divides us. And maybe if we focused on that, we might see a little less disconnection, a little less
Celine Egan (48:50)
Yep.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (48:55)
confusion of how to treat people.
Celine Egan (48:58)
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Each of us just needs to take responsibility. talk, you another tool that I've got is the responsibility game, playing above or below the line. You know, so above the line, taking 100 % responsibility or blame, shame and justify. So, you know, it's again, we can either play and blame, shame and justify and it's so easy to justify anything or blame other people or shame ourselves or whatever like that, or we can take responsibility for how we show up. So, you know, I would love to kind of, you know, leave our audience today with going, with a challenge.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (49:08)
Pero
Celine Egan (49:30)
to go, okay, how can you take personal responsibility to intentionally show up with love and compassion for your fellow person? If we just do that, everything else will happen. And when we notice ourselves going into blame, shame and justify, because we will, we are human, take a breath and just ask yourself, how in this moment can I take responsibility for whatever it is that's going on? How in this moment can I move away from
blame, shame or justify. Just this moment. And the more you do that, life is made up of a series of moments. So the more moments you take responsibility for, the better your life and those around you will be. So intentionally looking at how you can take personal responsibility would be my challenge to each of you today.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (50:22)
I'm so glad you were here today. There has been so many great gems of wisdom. We've talked about faith, we've talked about grief, about beating with your heart, and you've issued a nice little challenge. So for everyone listening, how about you take her up on her challenge and maybe let us know about it.
Celine Egan (50:24)
Honored to be here.
Love to.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (50:53)
And if this episode resonated with you, share it. You never know, someone you know might need to hear the reminder that healing, hope and connection are just a conversation away and that it's about how we show up, how we intentionally be what we want to see in the world. If you'd like to connect with Celine and learn more about her work or even just to say hi, you'll find links in the show notes.
unless you'd like to tell us how the best way to get hold of you is.
Celine Egan (51:26)
Anyway, so I'm on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, feel free to connect with me on any of those platforms, Celine Egan, so just yeah, you'll find me and that, so feel free to reach out and I'd love for you to tell me, yeah, if there was anything in here that resonated with you or if you took up the challenge, please do reach out, I'd love to hear it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (51:47)
Yeah.
Yes, it's a great challenge to remember to you can pick up your or ownership, accountability, responsibility, or you can stay in your bed making blame excuses and denials or blame shame and justifying other people. it's a great challenge and I will be remembering to do it. It's a game we do play around here of the are you lying in your bed or are you picking up your or so.
Celine Egan (52:15)
done.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (52:16)
So that's what we try to try to do. So as always for the show, if you've resonated with it, share it. Don't forget to subscribe, leave us a review, send me messages on socials. can let me know if you're taking Selena on her challenge or things that resonated with you or stuff that you'd like to talk about more.
I'm always up for finding new people to talk to and new conversations to have because I think healing happens in those conversations and talking about things and connecting with others and finding those spaces where we can find common ground between differing ideas and opinions is where we're going to see change.
Until next time, please take care of yourself, take care of each other. Remember you are never alone and your stories matter so please keep sharing them. And we'll see you next time.
Celine Egan (53:15)
Yeah.
Bye everybody. Take care. God bless.