What happens when the world feels like it's spinning out of control—and the usual spiritual mantras just don’t cut it? In this soul-stirring episode of Taboo Talk with Sarah, trauma-informed healer and ancestral clearing expert Elizabeth Kipp joins Sarah for a bold, grounded, and honest conversation about stress, chronic pain, spiritual bypassing, and reclaiming our personal power. Inspired by Elizabeth’s raw and viral blog “OMG and WTF,” this episode dives deep into how to stay rooted in truth, integrity, and Source—even when the world feels like an Orwellian nightmare. From the breath as a bridge to navigating the anger within us, this episode is a call to take radical responsibility, reconnect with your body, and remember who you are.
✔️ The Breath is the Bridge – Why conscious breathing is the first step to nervous system regulation and inner clarity
✔️ Anger as a Compass – Honoring anger as a signal without letting it consume us
✔️ Ancestral Clearing Explained – What it is, how it works, and why unprocessed trauma gets passed down
✔️ Chronic Pain & the Body’s Story – How stress patterns show up physically, and how we heal them
✔️ Think Cosmically, Act Locally – Grounding in your values and Source while navigating a chaotic world
🗣️ “I realized I was leveraging anger to feel powerful when I felt powerless. That’s the same frequency as addiction.” – Elizabeth Kipp
🗣️ “The breath is the bridge. It’s where the word lives. It’s where we reconnect to truth.”
🗣️ “You’re not meant to fit in. You’re meant to belong.” – Sarah Jordan Ross
⏱️ 00:00 – Welcome & blog inspiration: “OMG and WTF”
⏱️ 03:30 – Honoring anger vs. being consumed by it
⏱️ 06:45 – Where are you sourcing your power?
⏱️ 10:00 – Breathwork, nervous system regulation & presence
⏱️ 16:30 – What is ancestral clearing and how does it help?
⏱️ 24:30 – The “witch wound,” motherline mysteries & inherited grief
⏱️ 29:45 – Chronic pain as chronic stress & the mind-body connection
⏱️ 33:00 – The spiritual lesson in surrender
⏱️ 36:15 – “Think cosmically, act locally” explained
⏱️ 38:45 – The conversation we’re not having: Personal responsibility
⏱️ 44:00 – Final reflections & how to find Elizabeth’s work
Elizabeth Kipp
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Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:00) and welcome everybody. Thank you for joining us on Taboo Talk, the podcast that breaks the silence, fosters hope and holds space for conversations that matter. I'm your host, Sarah Jordan Ross. I'm a wife, I'm a mum to three amazing boys and I've spent the last 25 years or so in the health and wellbeing space as a remedial massage therapist and wellness coach.
Elizabeth Kipp (00:24)
you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:26)
And today's conversation is one I've been really looking forward to. My guest is the remarkable Elizabeth Kipp. She's a stress management and historical trauma specialist, an addiction recovery coach, an international bestselling author, and an expert in ancestral clearing and trauma-informed healing practices. But what prompted this conversation wasn't just her credentials. It was a piece that she wrote that really caught me.
In her blog titled OMG and WTF, Elizabeth shares a raw, soul-deep response to the current state of the world, grappling with the dissonance between spiritual platitudes and lived reality. One line that struck me most, some things are worth holding on to, like our values and integrity. It reminded me that healing doesn't mean detaching from the world.
Sometimes it means digging deeper. So today we get to talk about anger, healing, chronic pain, connecting to source ancestral trauma and why the breath is often the bridge that brings us back to ourselves. But Elizabeth, thank you so much for being here. I'm so honored that you are joining us today.
Elizabeth Kipp (01:46)
my goodness, Sarah. Thank you so much for
the invitation. I'm thrilled to have this conversation. ⁓ I tend to be a little bit, ⁓ well, I'm discerning. I'm discerning. I love to sit in front of teachers and hear new things and learn new things. But I always have a BS meter going. I'm always checking the...
Sarah Jordan-Ross (01:52)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Kipp (02:15)
And it's not always that bad, but I'm always kind of checking like, you know, is this actually real? Which is especially nowadays, it's really important. It's always important, you know, yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:26)
Yes.
Because so often we can't tell what's real and what's not. When my kids are reading stuff I always say, check a couple of different places to make sure that what you're hearing or what you're saying is real and is true. And when they're talking, if you're going to say something, think first. Is it kind? Is it helpful? Is it true? If it's not, don't say it.
Elizabeth Kipp (02:45)
You
I love
that. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so important.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:59)
Yeah, and most of the times they're pretty good with that, but every once in a while. But they're kids. We all have our moments, all those things that get under our skin and we don't watch our words quite as carefully. So with that, your blog post, it spoke about anger, not as something to bypass, but as a signal, as a response to injustice or to what we see going on. So how do we...
Elizabeth Kipp (03:03)
Well, aren't we all, right? ⁓
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (03:28)
honor that without letting it consume us because anger can be a bit of a double edged sword. It can be something that helps you cut through the BS and helps you move things forward but it can have its dark side that it becomes an all consuming thing. So how do we walk that?
Elizabeth Kipp (03:48)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I love the question. Let's just dive right into it. So the thing about anger that I'm cognizant of, and I learned it the hard way, ⁓ is that it makes me feel powerful when I feel powerless. Right?
I had an... and I'll tell you how I learned it briefly so everybody gets an example of kind of like how this might work in their life. I had ⁓ an event that happened with another person that was... ⁓ I took to being that it threatened my life. And ⁓ I got out of there safely, but I...
was for the next couple of years, I, and here I'm in stress management. So this is interesting to me, right? I know the tools, right? Every once in a while, this fire would just light up in me and I'd get angry and I would, at this person, you who was no longer my life, right? But I...
Sarah Jordan-Ross (04:49)
Yeah
Elizabeth Kipp (05:06)
But I, and I would text my sponsor and say, I'm working on a resentment and you know, and because it was a resentment and, and, and, and so that, you know, I had somebody that was connecting and someone knew I was, was supporting me in the work, but it was my stuff to work out. And of course I, you know, referenced higher power and said, please help. And anyway, this pattern went on for a while and I got really tired of it.
And it happened again one morning when I wasn't even really 100 % awake yet. And I was like, OK, I'm so done with this. And I dropped to my knees, and I literally pleaded to my higher power, please, clearly, I do not know how to handle this. Show me, guide me through it. And within 30 seconds, I got a download.
And the download was, oh, Elizabeth, look at you leveraging your biology where you felt powerless to feel powerful. And I'm a recovery addiction recovery coach and that's like addiction. That's the frequency of addiction. Wow. And I was like, holy cow, you know, this is how insidious this stuff can be. And I...
And I was so grateful to see that, right? Oh, look at that. And in 30 seconds later, I got another download. And the download was, and where are you sourcing your power? Right, so I sourced it in my anger instead of in the boss, in the higher power, right? And I didn't have another one of those episodes again, which was very cool, right? was just like, that was a very interesting way to clear that, right? Even like then.
all kinds of other things, that was the way it worked for me. So lately, so when I get into that blog, the thing that kind of spurred that blog was I was noticing that my reaction to, and I'm still noticing it, it's just not as much, my reaction to the chaos in the world and the cruelty and the injustice as I see it, ⁓ I mean, I think I'm calling a spade a spade there, ⁓
was, ⁓ you know, the fires rising again and I'm like, ⁓ where am I sourcing my power? ⁓ I'm sourcing it in the humans that are doing instead of the source of all that is. And that was a very critical question for me to be able to kind of understand the power structure within me.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (07:44)
Yes.
Elizabeth Kipp (07:53)
and how I was navigating that. And it helped me ⁓ kind of find my way through. that it's not that I'm not ⁓ reacting, it's that I'm noticing that I'm reacting and I'm looking in the internal landscape to like what's out of balance within me that's ⁓ reacting to out there.
Right instead of just looking at their own that's bad. I'm actually turning around and looking at me and going what's out of balance in me that I'm in or is there anything in out of balance cuz you know in some cases like I don't think I'm particularly out of balance. I just think I'm having a disagreement with what's happening.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (08:43)
in that blog and I want to go a little bit deeper with that because you actually said
can remember where I'm sourcing my power from the source, not from the drivers of the current, and this is the bit I liked, or welly and nightmare. So can you unpack a little bit more for us how we stay grounded in that source of all that is, and it doesn't matter what name you give that, whether you call it God, call it the higher power, call it
Elizabeth Kipp (09:01)
Mm-hmm.
Thank
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:18)
whatever you will. We all have that source that we can tap
into. So how do we tap into that when our whole world in so many ways feels like it's gone topsy-turvy?
Elizabeth Kipp (09:34)
I love that. Yeah, and how you started brought some of the answer in. Where's the truth? Right? So the truth is anything that's permanent, that doesn't change. And all that stuff out there is changeable. It's all changing. that's how it is. Yeah, the constant is our awareness and source energy.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:40)
Mmm. Yeah.
Change is the constant.
Elizabeth Kipp (10:03)
prana life force energy also
It's important ⁓ for me to actually, for me, to start at the level of the nervous system because if I'm all dysregulated, I can't talk my way into calming down or even balancing myself. I have to actually start at the level of the nervous system. So because the mind follows the breath, the mind follows the state of the nervous system generally.
So the breath is the bridge. You you brought it in earlier, right? The breath is the bridge. So the breath is, remember, many people will have heard this, in the beginning was the word and the word was God. Where does the word live? It lives on the breath, right? So when we're breathing, we're, that's our connection. That's our bridge.
So that's kind of the first place I start, boy, it's time to take a breath. A nice long inhale and a nice extended exhale and stay there. And somehow that brings me back into the present moment and everything's fine in the present moment. And I'm not worried about what just happened or what's about to happen. I'm right here.
And, you know, I have a history of chronic pain, which is a stress habit. And so my journey is I noticed and I'm like, you know, almost 12 years out of that, but that's still a lifetime compared to, you know, I'm just 12 years out of 40. Right. So, so the habit can still I can still.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (11:53)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Kipp (12:00)
⁓ fall into that habit and I notice that I'm my old stress pattern I'm falling into it.
a little more quickly these days with the added with just what's going on. It doesn't matter if I'm watching the news or not. It's it's just there's a lot happening. So ⁓ so I mean, you can it's kind of interesting because as far as I can tell, what's happening out there, kind of in the world, world events and stuff.
It's actually, I look at, if I sit with any of my friends, we're all a hologram of the larger picture. So isn't that interesting, right? So that, I think that's ⁓ even more evidence, if you will, that the inner work, referencing what's happening with us, taking responsibility for our experience and our reaction to what's happening out there, our experience, right? That's the work.
And the breath is the basis of it. that, the conscious breath, I just don't know any other way. You from a yoga point of view, ⁓ we say, ⁓ we're born on an inhale and we die on an exhale. The quality of our life depends on the quality of the breath.
Right? This is what we're talking about.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (13:28)
And the breath, I know too, is the quickest way to get us back into regulation. Because when our nervous system is in that chronic fight and flight state, we don't think clearly we're on that survival mechanism. There's a saber-toothed tiger trying to chase me. I need to get away. And that is all that our body and our nervous system is focusing on is, I'm in danger. How do I get out of that?
Elizabeth Kipp (13:44)
Uh-uh.
That's right.
Yeah, so we're going to have fear, we're going to get angry and fight, or we're going to shut down. ⁓ There are some more subtle aspects of that, but our ⁓ logical thinking, they call it executive thinking, is offline. Yeah, so the breath is what brings us back. And the interesting thing is,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (13:58)
So when we can then... Yeah. You can.
out the
Elizabeth Kipp (14:27)
is that ⁓
I usually have just enough space in my dysregulation to remember to take a breath. However, I think that's because, because I wasn't trained that way, is because I've had a morning practice, I've been doing this, like I've had a practice for 12 years and I sit for so many minutes every morning and do a breath practice and so that when it hits the fan in my life,
It's right there, no matter how dysregulated I am. usually have just enough mental space to remember, ⁓ take a breath. All right.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:05)
because interestingly again, when we are stressed, that's the thing, we forget to breathe. So if we can, yeah.
Elizabeth Kipp (15:11)
Yeah, and we're usually holding breath.
Yeah. And that's sending a signal, that held breath is sending a signal to the nervous system that there's danger and you're under threat. you know, now we're bringing all the psychology and physiology to that instead of, you know, calming down. So.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:16)
Alright.
Elizabeth Kipp (15:32)
That breath is the quickest way. It's the quickest way to send that signal to the nervous system that it's actually safe after all. Now we can look at what just happened. ⁓ I had a big reaction to that. What's happening there?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:50)
We need to ask ourselves those questions. It's like, okay, why am I reacting that way? What's going on? And sometimes it will be what's happening right now, but sometimes it's something that's happened previously that's triggering off that reaction in you. So do you wanna talk a bit more about that and something I find really interesting about you?
Elizabeth Kipp (16:08)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:18)
is that you're an ancestral clearing practitioner. So for those who are unfamiliar with it, can you explain exactly what that actually means and how clearing that generational trauma is how I like to put it? And it's a common quote. If we don't learn the lessons of the past, we are doomed to repeat them. And we see quite often people through families
having the same kind of problems, the same kind of issues coming up. So can you unpack that a little bit more for us?
Elizabeth Kipp (16:49)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
I do whole hour podcasts on this and that's just a little piece because this is a big, but I'll start where you asked, which is when we have a reaction, asking the question, what just happened? That for me is helpful depending on kind of where I'm going with the why. Sometimes the why is like,
You know what? Your nervous system just, and you just need to calm it down again. And it's that simple. I don't really need to know the root. I don't necessarily need to know the root. On the other hand, as I said earlier, I can ask the question what just happened? And I was like, well, I'm putting my power in, you know, 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue.
or whatever the address is, I've forgotten the address, instead of in source. So that's a very helpful question to me, because I'm like, I need to redirect. So that's helpful. But in terms of like, that goes back to my childhood trauma when x, y, and z happened, that's not necessarily always helpful for me. ⁓
I'm just saying like, because I've done a lot of that work and ⁓ the why is not as important as the how do I get back to presence, which is the breath. I kind of, I'm kind of like, let's get centered and then kind of see what if there's any residual, any residue that needs to be cleaned up. That's where the ancestor coin piece comes in. Yeah. ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (18:40)
Yep, is dealing
with that residue.
Elizabeth Kipp (18:42)
Yeah, yeah, those are tendencies.
the things that are our habits all have a root in the past. Now it may be in a past in our childhood, like this was how we survived by doing this, ⁓ or maybe that thing that we learned when we were little that this is how we survived by doing this came in with us, right? It was in the way our parents did it and grandparents and it just kind of came in with us. ⁓
So it has a root in the past is my point. And ⁓ the ancestral clearing is actually a very simple ⁓ energy modality that was pioneered by a man named Howard Wills and then ⁓ further developed and is taught by a man named John Newton of healthbeyondbelief.com. ⁓
⁓ He teaches it. I'm one of his practitioners. I've been in the work since 2013. it's basically a practice that helps us release that which no longer serves us. And we ask Source, or whatever you call that, that made all of this, we ask it to help us release. We're not asking it to take anything from us. We're asking it to help us release because I'm hanging on.
and I don't know how to let go. So what's interesting, it's a prayer practice, because we're asking, right? And we do it with humility and gratitude. And what I love about this practice, first of all, it's very powerful. It's very simple, it's second thing. Third thing is you don't have to believe in a higher power for it to work. All you have to do is gravity is going to act on you whether you believe in it or not. Right? It's kind of like that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (20:34)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Kipp (20:35)
All you have to need, all you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (20:35)
⁓
Elizabeth Kipp (20:37)
have to, you just have to want the help. And if you actually want help releasing, you know, some thing that's been dogging you for, you know, ghosting you or whatever, been bugging you for your life, it actually is very helpful at that. And there's all different aspects of it. I'm working on the, it's Mother's Day month. So I'm working on a,
I'm kind of sitting in the energy of ⁓ mother-child relationship stuff and ⁓ getting ready to do a workshop in mid-22nd of May that I call the Motherline Mysteries, an ancestral clearing workshop, well I'll bring that in and I'm looking at all the different aspects of burden or imprints that we carry from our mothers.
And that's kind of interesting because when our ⁓ grandmother was four months pregnant with our mother, the eggs that became us developed. So we're spending five months with our grandmother and then we spend, you know, that time with our mother. And so we're spending, we're sharing energetic space with both of them.
Now that's profound. so whatever they're going through, we're experiencing that. We're sharing the energetic space there.
Our grandmother spent time at her grandmother.
and she spent time in her grandmother. And so now you see that there's a line that hooks us back to, you know, the beginning. And we wonder where our habits come from. Right? within the Ancestral Clearing ⁓ space, we clear for all kinds of stuff, but I kind of have a specialty in the witch wounds. ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:10)
Yes.
Yep.
Elizabeth Kipp (22:37)
the patriarchal wounds or the patriarchal imprints, right? And the mother, the mother stuff. mean, I do all kinds of clearing fruit, just pretty much anything. But those are the things that just seem to be the juicy bits that everybody seems to want to, plus that in abundance, anything around abundance people want that. ⁓ But they're usually connected into those other three. That's very interesting, right?
Yeah, I don't think I've really explained it all that well, because you kind of, when you ask what is ancestral clearing, it's kind of like, what is chocolate? What is ice cream? You kind of have an experience for it to get it, that's, it does that. And what's interesting is we carry these imprints, these limiting beliefs would be an example. I'm not enough, I'm not lovable. These things, you know, these things, we don't make these things up. They come in.
And we were born with them or we ⁓ have an experience in our childhood that convinces us that way, but maybe we already have a little bit of that frequency happening anyway. so if something, know, teacher goes boo or your mother's super critical for whatever reason, she's got her own burden, right? Then we're not enough and, you know, we're off to the races with people pleasing and...
codependency and we're not authentic anymore and we lose our voice and all those things, right? So the ancestral clearing work, and it's not the only kind of ancestral healing work out there, but the kind that I do is, it really addresses this stuff and we feel lighter after we've done the process. So it's pretty cool. Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:31)
where we sometimes
get to know where those thoughts, those ideas, those habits came from. it makes us make more sense to ourselves.
Elizabeth Kipp (24:42)
Yeah, sure. So my mom lost her mother in the Second World War and because of the wound that she felt around that, we never talked about her mother. I was named after her, but I never learned anything about her until after my mother had passed. mean, was just like, so that dysfunction,
was about we don't know how to grieve in our family, seriously. Like everything unpleasant is put under the rug, we don't talk about that. That would be one of the mantras in the family. We don't talk about that. So when you have that going on, know, wow, that creates all kinds of... ⁓
dissonance, like the children are like, what the hell's going on here? And the mothers are like, we're not, don't even ask that question. know? Right, right. So, but this is not, it's not like, it's not like she made that up. She didn't make that, that's just the way she learned. And that's just the way, and you can see, we have actually, we have records in my family that go back quite a few generations. And you can, you can see these.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:45)
Not going there.
Elizabeth Kipp (26:07)
You can see beautiful things. You can see beautiful, ⁓ healthy patterns and then you can also see the stresses and how it imprinted. Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:18)
we don't talk about it. There's so much that goes on. And that was part of why I started this show was there is so much that we don't talk about and grief is a common one. We all go through it, but we don't always talk about it. We don't always process it. And then that carries on into how we do other things.
Elizabeth Kipp (26:44)
Yeah, it'll come out sideways for sure. Right? we're... It's kind of like ⁓ we have an experience like grief is a good example where we don't know how to process it, but we feel it. And so we repress it because we don't know what to do with it because we're not taught. And so then it sits in the body.
And the body's got to do something with it. And you know what's interesting? It takes energy to hold on to that stuff. Right? So, like now, you're not just repressing. Now your energy's getting funneled into that thing to hold on to it until you figure out how to, you know, process it. And so, you know, now we're off to the races. And that creates a certain amount of pressure in the system.
And we're going to look for a pressure relief valve somewhere, right? And we're going to do that in behavioral things. Maybe we're going to, you know, we're going to turn to alcohol or substance or, or acting out or, you know, shopping or, you know, you pick the, you pick the distraction, some kind of, yeah, something. That's right. That's right. You know, that's right. Because we don't, we don't want to feel it. And that's, that's that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:56)
Something to numb the pain. Something to distract from it.
Elizabeth Kipp (28:07)
was really baked into the culture that I grew up in. It wasn't that I didn't want to feel, I just didn't know what to do with any of it because it was all like, don't, we don't want to see that, don't do that, you know, like, it's like, okay. So, you know, no wonder I became a chronic pain sufferer. Right? And I'm the only one, mean, chronic stress. So we'll just define here for the audience, if we could.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:26)
Exactly.
Yep.
Elizabeth Kipp (28:36)
Chronic
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:36)
Go for it.
Elizabeth Kipp (28:38)
pain is any pain that's felt 15 days out of 30 for three months or more. Any pain, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, financial, any of it, it all sends the same signal to the brain, it hurts. So the brain can't tell the difference between a broken bone and a broken heart.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:57)
it responds exactly the same way.
Elizabeth Kipp (28:57)
So if
it's felt 15 days out of 30 for three months or more, that's chronic, and that's chronic stress, and we weren't made for that. We're made regular, like regular stress. have a stress response. get, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we,
a bunch of physiological and psychological things happen to meet the threat. And then the stress response goes into the off position. In chronic pain, chronic stress, the stress response gets out of balance and stays in the on position. So now we're always, you know, we're always on the lookout for the threat and we never calm down and we are not made for that. That's really caustic to the system.
very toxic, well you know that as a wellness person.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (29:50)
Yeah, Alex Howard talks about a maladaptive stress response and that's how when our body just gets into that chronic fight and flight and the effects that that then has on our body. Because one of the most basic ones, when we're in fight or flight, all of the blood from our digestive system gets diverted to the muscles so we can fight the threat and run away from it. What do you think that long term deprivation of blood
Elizabeth Kipp (29:54)
Yeah.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
That's right.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (30:20)
to the system does to our digestive system. It sends it all out of whack. Another problem, a large percentage of our essential neurotransmitters, dopamine, serotonin, GABA, they're manufactured in our gut. So when our gut's not working properly, our whole system then goes into overlap. And we've all heard of fight or flight. Everybody knows about that.
Elizabeth Kipp (30:26)
Of course.
Exactly.
That's exactly right. That's right.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (30:50)
Well, what's the next one? Fight, flight, faint, freeze. Your nervous system eventually under that chronic stress will go into a state of shutdown. And our body, like most things, it has a set point that it's supposed to work at. But when we're under stress, all of those set points get changed around as well. So then it's hard to get back into that homeostatic
Elizabeth Kipp (31:19)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah, this is why we're practicing. Yeah. This is why we have a daily practice. This is why, you know, why we... is so important. And I'm not talking about... I love spiritual reading. I'm talking about an actual breath practice. That's a movement practice. Something that's actually working with the nervous system to remind it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (31:20)
balance. When the seesaw's always up in the air, it takes a lot to get it back level.
Elizabeth Kipp (31:46)
This is how we're doing life today. Not this other way.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (31:52)
that you've got to get that out somewhere. it's either you write it out. you journal is a great way to get those thoughts out of your head onto paper, get it out of your body. Or you dance it out. Get your body moving. Or you sing it out. And it doesn't matter if you don't sing well or you only sing in the shower or the car. Just make some noise. Get that
Elizabeth Kipp (31:56)
That's right.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (32:22)
All
that stuff that you're holding onto, holding in, because where you've got that tightness and tension in the body, it's telling you that something's going on. And if you are somebody who holds it all in your body, sometimes just getting it out, getting that physical tension out, getting your nervous system back in, then you can stop and think, okay, what's behind it? What am I really stressed about? Is it something I can do something about?
Or is it something that I can't do anything about it so I should probably stop stressing about it.
Elizabeth Kipp (33:00)
Well, that's that's the magic that was a little bit about what my blog was about too was Where I have power to act I can act and where I where I where I don't have power Then you know, I need to realize that I need to surrender to whatever that is and that again right there is a Just like my reaction to the craziness right that that place of surrender. Well, I really can't do anything about this
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:05)
Exactly.
Elizabeth Kipp (33:29)
Well, I don't like it anyway. That's the juicy bit. That's the juicy bit for me anyway, where I'm like where the rubber meets the road in my healing evolution. My own ⁓ healing journey is like, well, you know, they say accept what is and I'm, you know, surrender is accepting what is and I'm like, I don't.
I don't to accept this. Well, now what am I going to do? So that's my internal, it's a little look at the under the hood of Elizabeth to see like what, you know, what's the work? And again, by the way, I just took you into an aspect of my old stress pattern.
having an argument with the present moment. If you don't think I did not wanna be in my body, I did not want the pain, did not, it's like, I don't want any of this. So, right, so that's an old, I'm having an argument with the present moment. So I know when I get to that place in my, you know, my inner world.
in my interaction with the outer world and how it's showing up and how I perceive it's showing up and I start doing that, I know that's my old stress pattern again. so you see that I don't need to necessarily know the why about exactly why I'm reacting. What's the exact trigger? It doesn't matter or the thing that activated it.
you prefer to use the word activate rather than trigger because I just think it's healthy, right? But what I do need to know is, ⁓ that's my old habit. I'm just in my old habit again and I'm going to redirect, right? And every time I redirect, you're rewiring the brain to do something different, right? And it can be that simple ⁓ and I can do that without calling myself
Sarah Jordan-Ross (35:15)
See
Elizabeth Kipp (35:38)
uh-oh, you know, wrong for, damn it, I'm in my old habit again. I don't have to do that. just say, I'm in my old habit. Redirect without the guilt. Right? Or the whip.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (35:50)
without having to... Yeah.
Yeah, you can catch yourself and redirect without having to bash yourself up because that's not gonna get you anywhere. But actually noticing, uh-oh, I'm stuck in that old pattern. Let's go somewhere different.
Elizabeth Kipp (36:02)
Yeah. Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, that's right.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (36:15)
And you talk
about thinking cosmically but acting locally. Now that feels like a bit of a call to action. So how does that look like in practice for you right now?
Elizabeth Kipp (36:29)
Beautiful. Yeah, so that goes back to what we were talking about. Where am I sourcing my power? So I'm sourcing my power in the truth and in source, that which never changes. But how does that translate into the present moment into my 3D? That's, you know, kind of 5D or 8D or however many D's you want to add.
into my 3D life. I don't really understand all those D words. I'm just like, that's a little bit of a bummer. But there's a whole bunch of dimensions. There's a whole bunch of dimensions and we're all inter, know, multi-dimensional beings. I understand that part. I just don't know what all the different levels are called. It doesn't really matter. What matters is what am I doing here now in what I say, the 3D world.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (36:58)
Bit above the pay grade.
Elizabeth Kipp (37:20)
locally, acting locally, and the act locally is the breath.
Right? People say to me, I don't know why they do this because it's their life, but they come to me and they're, what's my purpose? And I'm like, you know, I don't know what your purpose is. Is this your purpose? Right? It's like, but I always have an answer for them. Your purpose is to breathe consciously. Everything else comes from that. Right? So as long as I can breathe and come into presence,
Now I'm hooked in to the all that is because it's right here in the present moment. In the present moment the quantum physicists tell us we can access past, present and future all at once. What more do you want? How much more cosmic do you want to be? You know, like right here in the breath. Be right here, right? That's what I meant by ⁓ think cosmically, act locally.
That way, for me, I kind of keep my eye on the prize. And whatever's happening around the prize, that connection is what's happening. I don't necessarily, I mean, I can interact with it or not, it's, I need to stay, that's my guy wire. That's where I keep my grounding, yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (38:21)
remember that
it's important to
stay in that grounding where you can. as you know Taboo talks all about having the conversations that don't happen enough and I like to start to wrap up the show with that question. What's that one conversation you think we need to be having more of right
Elizabeth Kipp (38:48)
Yeah.
I would say ⁓ that we ought to be having more, for me, I'm just saying, we ought to be having more conversations about personal responsibility.
which was kind of part of the blog in the first place that you were referring to. It's like, yeah, it's a chaotic mess out there. There's all kinds of changes going on. where's my part in this? Again, where I have power, can act. Where I and I surrender. And what's my responsibility in this moment? ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:18)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Kipp (39:44)
You know, I kind of see like my responsibility is to stay in integrity with me, with my values, and to try and keep my heart open. That's a big challenge, by the way. I think that's the master challenge in these times is like, for me anyway, how do I navigate this and keep my heart open?
Like, how do I do that? That's the big question, right? And so that's me taking responsibility for how I'm showing up in the present moment. Because I don't know what else to do. We're in this huge field of consciousness. I'm in this little tiny corner of it. And I'm just trying to do the best I can to put out the best vibe that I can in it, if that makes sense.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:07)
Yeah, that's a big one.
You're shining your light where you can and if each one of us does our best to shine on that light, to take responsibility for our own actions and for what we do. But around here we talk about are you going to lie in your bed, which is blame, excuses, denial, or are you going to pick up your oar?
ownership, accountability, responsibility. But taking it for yourself, like you're not responsible for what anyone else does. You can't control what happens, but you can control how you react to it.
Elizabeth Kipp (41:06)
There it is.
Yeah, so I'll give you an example. ⁓ The quantum physicists tell us through ⁓ their view...
Love over here translates to love over there through this something called spooky action. But hate over here translates to hate over there. So that is powerful to me because when I'm ⁓ sitting here in my apartment and I read a news story about somebody acting in some way that I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? And I do that.
That's putting energy out into the field of rarararar ⁓
And I'll tell you, it makes my life. ⁓
much calmer and I feel like I'm able to stay kind of on target in my own on my own purpose better when I do that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (42:45)
Yeah, when you be conscious of what you're putting out into the world.
Thank you.
Elizabeth Kipp (42:50)
And at the base of all
that is the breath. Because if I didn't have that, I'd be back in the reactive mind and, you know, we'd be off to the races again. ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (43:01)
going back down that rabbit hole of numbing the pain and trying to get away from it and chronic stress and all that stuff that yeah again we all go through it but you don't have to stay stuck in it and sometimes the simple way of getting unstuck is remembering to breathe
Elizabeth Kipp (43:04)
chronic stress.
That's right. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. I know it sounds so simple and it is, but it's incredibly powerful. It's so simple people don't realize how powerful it is, but it really is. It's kind of a lifesaver. Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (43:36)
And thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.
And so being so open and honest with us about so many different things. For those of you... Yeah. Yeah, I try when I see things that might be an interesting conversation or something that will resonate with people who are going through pain or who are looking at and seeing what's going on in our world and getting frustrated and annoyed by it and wondering what they can do.
Elizabeth Kipp (43:46)
Well, thank you so much for invitation.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (44:07)
So that's why I reached out and I'm so glad I did because I'm pretty sure that this conversation will have had something for lots of people. So for those of you that are listening, if this conversation resonated, whether you're navigating pain or big feelings or just feeling the weight of the world, because it's a bit heavy right now, but it doesn't have to stay that way, please know you are not alone.
Now Elizabeth, if people want to find your work, where's the best way for them to do that? Because you've got books and all sorts of fun things.
Elizabeth Kipp (44:42)
they can find me on my website.
Sure, you can find me on my website, which is my name with a dash. It's elizabeth-kipp.com. You've to put a hyphen in there between my first and last name to find me. Otherwise, you'll find the other Elizabeth Kipp, who's a web designer and photographer who's amazing, but not me. So elizabeth-kipp.com and all my social media is there. I've got, you know, ⁓ sessions and ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:01)
Yeah
Elizabeth Kipp (45:11)
all kinds of free resources on the site. ⁓ Yeah, you can find out all about Elizabeth land at that website. Thank you so much.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:21)
and it will be in the notes as well so we'll have that link there for you. So until next time, take care of yourself, take care of each other, remember your story matters so please keep telling it because truth needs to get out there, not all held in. We'll see you next time.