In this soul-stirring episode of Taboo Talk with Sarah, Lori from the Be Awesome Network joins Sarah for a powerful conversation about embracing authenticity, choosing joy, and breaking cycles of trauma. Together, they unpack the hard truths about perfectionism, generational wounds, self-trust, and the journey back to wholeness. It's raw, real, and radically empowering.
“Authenticity isn’t something you do. It’s something you remember.” – Lori
“You don’t have to carry the shame of what happened to you. It’s not your identity.” – Sarah
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:00) Hey everybody, welcome back to Tabby Took with Sarah, the podcast that breaks the silence, fosters hope and holds space for the tough stuff so you never feel alone. I'm Sarah Jordan Ross, I'm a mum of three, massage therapist, wellness coach, and I've spent the last 25 years in the trenches of real honest conversations. Not the highlight reel, the heart of it. The stories that crack us open.
Lori (00:07)
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Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:23)
stretch us and slowly bring us home to ourselves. Here on Taboo Talk, we dive into the raw, messy,
healing moments that so often go unspoken. From trauma and grief to burnout, neurodivergence, faith and the silent weight of care work. This is where we make space for the conversations we all need, but don't have often enough. Today I'm joined by Laurie Phillips, a woman whose journey from personal crisis to community leader is nothing short of inspiring.
Lori (00:32)
You
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:52)
She's the founder of the Be Awesome Network, which is really awesome. A thriving community dedicated to personal
growth and empowerment and Breathe Life Yoga, where she guides others through trauma-informed yoga practice. Introduced to me by our mutual friend, the amazing Nicole Cowley, Laurie's story is a testament to resilience, self-discovery and the power of community. And I am so happy that she's here. Laurie, welcome. Thank you for being here.
Lori (01:23)
Thank you, Sarah, so much for having me. I'm excited to talk with you today.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (01:27)
So we're gonna have lots of fun, but let's start by going back to the beginning or to a time when everything changed for you. Can you share what was happening in your life when you faced your own personal crisis?
Lori (01:41)
Yes, well, I think of it often. I don't revisit a lot how I felt. about three years ago, I was going through a very difficult time in my life where I had gotten remarried. And the marriage that I thought I had was not at all what I thought it was.
And so I was working really hard in my job full time. I had three teenagers and three stepchildren. Exactly, exactly. And three more stepchildren who were teenagers. So ⁓ six teenagers basically.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:21)
challenge of itself.
Lori (02:31)
And I found my...
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:33)
And you're
still standing.
Lori (02:35)
Exactly. And I found myself kind of doing what I had always done, which is to pick up the slack for everyone. And I was basically doing everything for everyone. And it wasn't until I realized that it was too late when I realized what I had done because I...
you know, of course, was trying to save a marriage, working full time. Then our kids had certain issues they were going through and I hit a wall. So I was working and at the end of the day, just, just, everything just went black. And I remember feeling like I was losing control of like my cognitive.
abilities like I couldn't find things on the computer that were usually pretty easy to find and I could feel myself slipping for like weeks before that and I just didn't know what to do about it and Because I was so unfamiliar with the feeling of what I was going through what I realized I'm going was I was going through now was basically a neurological breakdown so Everything in my body just shut down and I don't remember driving home
I got in bed and woke up and my mom was in the other room with a friend of mine and they were talking about me. I kind of felt like this is going to age me, but there's a movie called Steel Magnolias where Shelby has diabetes and they're all in the beauty shop and they're all talking about her and she's right there and she's like, stop talking about me. Like I'm not here. That's kind of how I felt.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (04:17)
Love that movie!
Lori (04:29)
I was like, what's happening to me? Like it was an out of body experience. So I spent the next year trying to understand what had happened. And luckily I was able to take time off work and my mom and some of my closest friends helped me through that period of time. I of course went through some talk therapy and trauma therapy and just kind of discovered that I'd always pushed myself way too hard.
in life starting from very young and it just caught up with me.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (05:04)
Yes, there's just so much you can push through and keep going.
So your background in gymnastics and strength training and then yoga fit as well. How much did your understanding of the body and movement help in your healing journey? Cause you had a lot to, to go through and not, not the least of that, the
Could you stop talking about me like I'm not here moment, which I think is something a lot of people with chronic illnesses can relate to because it quite often happens or like for,
Lori (05:49)
you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (05:50)
cause I was a, I was a sick kid and then, so I kind of know that the, yep, they're having conversations with the doctors or with each other and it's like.
Yeah, you're talking about me, can you talk to me instead?
Lori (06:06)
Yes, well, I, yes, definitely. I, I didn't really understand the mind body connection before this happened to me. So of course, when you are in the middle of a crisis, usually your brain and your, your heart and soul just wants answers. So I started to seek answers. A lot of it was intuitive of what I should be doing. I started to, I knew I
I knew yoga from before. I knew it helped with my anxiety before I had gone through my first divorce. so I turned to yoga like I had before and I was at home all alone for about three months. didn't drive or leave the house. If I left the house, someone was picking me up and taking me somewhere. I felt very helpless. I felt like I might have
I myself for good. ⁓ Like this might be my life now. ⁓ But slowly but surely I started to recover. The ⁓ anxiety attacks were very, very painful. ⁓ Light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, loss of appetite, all of the symptoms that you would probably read about I was experiencing. ⁓
I lost probably, ⁓ gosh, maybe 20 pounds. I don't remember because my vision was blurred and I couldn't see numbers right. It was the strangest thing I've ever gone through. looking back after recovering from it, like most people, it was actually the best thing that ever happened to me because I started to learn more about how to take care of myself better.
and ⁓ stop when I need to stop and not work too hard or ignore those warning signals that are happening all the time in our bodies.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (08:12)
body is always talking to us it's just sometimes we either don't understand what it's trying to tell us or we know exactly what it's trying to tell us and we do the yep yep I'll take care of it later but later always ends up being later and you touched on something then that like to explore a little bit more because I think a few people might relate to it you said part of the experience was that you learnt
Lori (08:41)
you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (08:42)
a lot. something that I've heard frequently from from cancer survivors, from people with chronic illnesses once they've recovered
or at least recovered to a certain extent is while they wouldn't wish that experience on anybody they also wouldn't wish to not have it because of what they learned from it. So did that experience
then shape everything that you've done since then.
Lori (09:15)
I think that's a great way to put it, yes. I stopped and took a look at every aspect of my life. How was I eating?
How well was I resting? How was I showing up for other people? And the answer to that question was way too much. I was like, I think we talked about this previously. I was people pleasing. I was striving for perfection. was ⁓ thinking that my performance equaled my worth. There was just a lot of things that I.
was doing subliminally that I didn't realize I was doing until everything stopped. when I mean everything stopped, it was like time was standing still. And, you know, we always say, the day goes by so fast. Well, the days were going by so slow. But it was wonderful in some ways because I slowed down so much that I would go outside and put my feet in the grass and I would look at the ants and I would...
pick up seeds that had fallen from a tree and like, you know, was just, it was such a beautiful time at the same time that it was so hard because everything did slow down and I had to take that time for myself.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:37)
sometimes think that's the beauty and the curse of...
of a health crisis is that it forces you to slow down and take a really hard look at what's going on, but also to find those little things to be grateful for, to find those things that you can still do when there's so much that you can't and be grateful for that and to take that learning and then
shift it to help other people when you're in a position to do so and that's what you've done in a lot of ways with Breathe Life Yoga and with the Be Awesome Network.
So, how did that, what did that transition look like going from your health crisis, you've recovered and now you're helping other people? What got you started on that one?
Lori (11:36)
Well, I knew that, like I said, yoga was ⁓ a way to calm my nervous system down. And then I started studying about the vagus nerve and how it connects all of our organs. And it really explained a lot about what my body was going through because I was
on such high alert hyper vigilance is what it's called that everything was just misfiring. And so when I learned how to calm myself down and kind of go into the breathing and the moving and when I figured out and it was a really spiritual experience as well. I was playing praise music.
all the time, like 24-7, and I would find a song that would comfort me and I would add it to my playlist. And I would turn it on in my bathroom, funny enough, because I like hot yoga. So I would turn on the heater in the bathroom and shut the door and kind of move. But the way that I was moving wasn't a choreographed official yoga pose. It was more like...
dancing and flowing and breathing and connecting with God. And it was the sweetest time. I almost thought, did I just invent something? But I don't know. I don't know, but it was so personal. was like, this part of my journey, I don't think I want to share with others, but I do want to share.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (13:05)
Maybe.
Lori (13:20)
the fact that there is a way out of high anxiety, stress, over achieving and that kind of thing. And so I got my yoga informed, trauma informed yoga instructors license and just kind of started on that journey. And I knew I'd have to incorporate yoga into my life in some way and I thought, well, why not learn more about it so that other people who are going through
similar problems can, I can help them, but it also helps me to pour out and give back after being so down and out. And I also changed my, the way that I was working. So I knew that I wasn't going to be able to go back into a full-time office position. I spent a year basically without
working, which I don't think I'd ever done since I was four years old. I'd always been so busy. You know, went straight from competitive gymnastics to ⁓ competitive gymnastics in college, then marriage, then kids, then working full time. It's like I never really stopped. So to have that year to think and reflect and
ask myself for the first time in my life, what does Lori want? I just, you know, I started coming up with solutions that would fit what I needed instead of what I thought I needed to do. So.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:01)
And that's the great thing. You got that time to figure out who you are and what you really want. And then you created what it was you needed in that space. And that's the Be Awesome network. So what led you to go?
go down that, to create that community. I'm guessing it was that it was one of those things that was missing for you on your journey, that you knew that that needed to be part of the picture.
Lori (15:40)
Yes, I started feeling really good and I just was thinking, know, I have this story. I don't know how I'm going to tell it or what it looks like, but I do feel like most people who go through a journey like that, they want to share the knowledge that they've learned with other people. And I...
had stumbled across a Facebook page similar to Facebook group similar to mine where her name is Tammy Scarlett and she has the Women's Wellness Network and she was interviewing people and bringing them on to share their stories and it just it felt so different than anything I'd ever seen and it felt like I had almost gotten to
a home, like I had found a place online to belong. So I asked her one day after she had interviewed me and I was, I was actually, I found her through a search for Canadian Facebook groups because I was ⁓ involved in a athletic wear company that was going into Canada for the first time.
So I just stumbled upon her and I, looking back, I don't think any of this has been an accident. When I say stumble, I just mean I was seeking and yeah, I found her and I didn't know what that was gonna turn into, but it was one of those instantaneous sister things where you meet someone and you say, I really like her and we, know, just gelled really quickly.
So I asked her, are you doing this? And she shared with me that she had taken a course and she showed me the person who had created the course. And his name is Amos Bracewell. And so I was a part of her community for a while and I thought, you know what? I've always supported other people in their.
initiatives in their missions. I've always been that person to come alongside of someone else and help. But I didn't really have anything of my own. so I just thought, where the Be Awesome network name came from is I was going to name it Be Awesome at any age because I really was, you know, I in my, I still am in my 50s and I was feeling so good. And I was like, okay, well, if I can feel awesome.
at this age. Other people can too. So was thinking that I was going to just reach people in their ⁓ midlife, you know. But then I thought, wait, I don't want to leave anyone out. So I just shortened it to the Be Awesome Network. And that was how it was born.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (18:48)
love how things happen with that synchronicity and those things that look like they might be a coincidence, you just stumbled across her. like you, I don't really believe in coincidences. I have a friend who calls them God-incidences in that you're being led in that particular way and you touched on your faith a little bit. But...
Lori (19:15)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (19:18)
What I really noticed is the you wanted that connection, you wanted that community and you didn't want to leave anybody out. So that leads to the question of what's
next for the Be Awesome Network? Where are you aiming to reach out next?
Lori (19:41)
Well, I'm super excited about this part of my journey because it did take me by surprise. I've always thought that what's interesting about this is that I've always felt called or like there's a bigger, there's something bigger outside of me that I want to.
be a part of and so I would do that by joining other people's, like I said, initiatives or missions or whatever. And ⁓ this actually came from inside of me, which is super special, like probably like you feel about your podcast, right? And so, yeah, so what's next for the Be Awesome Network is I didn't expect it to grow as it has. It's a year old and we're
Well, year and two weeks, I think, old and or three weeks. And we're like 17.6 thousand people strong. And I have learned, like you said, you touched on this a little bit about not wanting to leave anyone out. I have learned by the two hundred and almost eighty interviews that I've done so far that there are so many awesome people out there and everyone has.
a uniqueness about them and a voice and that they matter. And so I love that they get to come to the network and share their story. And then we get to get together on networking events. And then I get to share my network with entrepreneurs who want an audience that is already warm. Because what happens when you're just out there putting yourself out there on social media is yes, you have
followers or you have people that are in your friend group, but it's really hard to get your message out to people who actually want to hear it. that's what I see next happening is ⁓ just me sharing the network with other amazing humans. And I do have about 12 people in my winter circle who get to come on and broadcast and share their stories and interview other people.
teach and do round tables. And so that's always been a dream of mine to have a platform for other other awesome people. But then on top of that, I recognize a need for community in person. So I'm launching retreats for people in really anywhere, but people who want to be a part of a community, entrepreneurs specifically, who
are out there creating their own businesses and working really hard. And the thing about that is when you're working as an entrepreneur, sometimes it doesn't feel like work, but it can be very lonely because you're in the middle of a society of people who get in their cars and go to work and come home and watch TV and you have this passion inside of you that you just want to share and
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:45)
Yeah.
Lori (22:59)
⁓ So that's kind of where it's going next and I'm super excited about it because I'm going to utilize my gift of teaching how to calm the nervous system at these retreats. I'm also going to use my advertising background and my marketing background to help people with branding and ⁓ figuring out their...
actual message and whether it's, you know, they're reaching the people they need to reach. And then also just creating an in-person community and that we can come together and get creative and brainstorm and have, you know, circles of sharing and, ⁓ you know, being around people who actually get what you're going through is, it can be life changing. So.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (23:53)
Being able to be in that space with other people who just get what you're doing, get what you're going through. And as amazing as online spaces are, nothing quite beats that face-to-face connection. So I'm really glad that you're doing that stuff. Pity you're on the other side of the world to me, but maybe we'll work out something.
Lori (24:20)
Yeah, we maybe can meet in the middle.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:21)
So if somebody
wanted to...
How would that be? I don't know, I'll have to look at a map.
Lori (24:26)
Probably India or Greece.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:28)
So if somebody wanted to get
Greece will be good. I love Santorini.
Lori (24:32)
Well, yeah, the plan is to have, I really do want to have retreats all over the world. So I'm starting in Mexico because most people can get there ⁓ pretty easily. then I want to work my way over to Greece for sure, because it's on my bucket list. Costa Rica, Thailand, beautiful places. And that's the thing about going on. ⁓
you when you go on a vacation, it's like, sometimes you have to take a vacation from your vacation because you've packed it with so much activity. But I want to create a space where it's going to be peaceful. Yeah, peaceful. want to create a space where it's going to be peaceful, relaxing, and also productive. And there is something about going to another place that has a diff- whole different environment than your home.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:11)
You need recovery time.
Lori (25:29)
that opens up your brain, your mind, and you start thinking differently. And I experienced that when I took a six months journey to tour all the, well, a lot of the beaches in Florida. This was a plan of mine that I hadn't had kind of, like I said, was following intuition. It was gonna be three months and I extended it because I loved it so much. so yeah, so that whole getting out there,
and just seeing nature, the sky, the birds, the whatever it is. I mean, there's mountains and oceans and all kinds of beautiful places all over the world. So I do favor the beach though.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:13)
Australian so that means you have to come here because we have some of the best beaches in the world
Lori (26:19)
I have heard that and I is on my.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:21)
Okay, Tasmanian
beaches you don't want to go swimming on in winter, but...
Lori (26:25)
Yes, and your winter is our summer.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:30)
Yes!
Lori (26:30)
So it's perfect when it's cold here. Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:32)
Yeah, we're in winter now.
Yeah, we don't do the white Christmas thing.
Lori (26:39)
Yeah, well, I think growing up I had maybe four or five white Christmases. it's a fun occasion when it happens, but normally it's just dead grass Christmas.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:59)
Yeah, because I'd say like parts of like the northern parts of Australia, they don't really do winter to that extent because they're in the tropics and the same with some of the southern parts of the US. You don't get the cold like Canada does. So that's one of the beautiful things of connecting to people all over the world. You get to experience things in different ways.
Lori (27:10)
No.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:29)
I'd love to go on one of your retreats now. If people wanted to connect with you, what's the best way to do that? Whether it's that they want to join the amazing Be Awesome network and make the world more awesome by doing so, or that they wanted to work with you doing yoga or coaching, how's the best way for them to do that?
Lori (27:54)
Well, it is the Facebook page is based off of Facebook. So it's it's best to go to Facebook and look up the Be Awesome Network. But I do have a website that is also the Be Awesome Network. So you can find me there too. And
Yeah, if you want to work with me, then just go into Facebook and message me. I think that's probably the best way to reach me. And I would love to chat with anyone who is interested in either coming to a retreat or teaching at the retreat or just being a part of the network.
and getting interviewed and highlighted and being a part of a community that will embrace them for who they are. yeah, so that's basically it.
I'm not used to being on this side.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:50)
That is what I love about your community
is it is that...
It's very different being on the other side of the microphone. And I will say, I much prefer being the one asking the questions, so I'm guessing so do you. So thank you for sitting in that opposite seat.
Lori (29:09)
Absolutely.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (29:10)
I've got one question for you that we always well I generally end the show on this one. So what is that conversation that you think we need to be having but we're not?
Lori (29:26)
I think as a female ⁓ entrepreneur and mom and ⁓ just in this stage of life, I think that there are so many expectations on women to take care of everything. I don't fault anyone but myself because I basically took on the...
The task myself, no one was telling me I had to. But I think a different conversation needs to be happening about sharing the load of raising kids, ⁓ sharing the load of, ⁓ you know, balancing the checkbook and, you know, just the fact that women are held to such a standard of, you know,
It's really sad, but if a woman chooses not to work, sometimes she's looked down upon. And I think that could be the biggest blessing ever. There were periods of time where I was at home, I was working at home, but I was at home. And I loved that stage in life where I was able to be with my smaller children. So I just think, you know, the expectations that we have.
have that we've been taught, if we could just drop those expectations and have more honest conversations about what's best for me, not being selfish, but loving myself, that self-love for women, I think is a hard, hard topic because we do see so many...
other women out there that we compare ourselves to and the striving and the, you know, that all of the things that we go after are probably actually killing us. So for me, I think the conversation needs to happen that, you know, we
Sarah Jordan-Ross (31:37)
Yup.
Lori (31:42)
We need to drop all of those standards and really say to ourselves, ask ourselves the question, you know, what does fill in the blank your name? What do I want? What does Lori want? You know, what does Sarah want? What does Jackie want? What, you know, I think we are taking care of so many other people that we don't forget to ask ourselves that question.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (32:06)
Yeah, we're so concerned with taking care of everyone and everything else that we sometimes lose ourselves in that. And that thing of like, more so for the slightly older generation is the, we're supposed to take care of everybody else and taking care of ourselves is selfish, therefore wrong. Well, that's the...
Lori (32:32)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (32:35)
the expectation around that. But I like to ask people the question of, okay, so you're taking care of all these things, all these people. What happens to them when you collapse in a screaming heap?
Lori (32:54)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (32:56)
So then what's the selfish thing? Is it taking care of yourself so that then you can take better care of them? yet that whole expectation of women have been raised now.
There was that first generation of women who worked outside of the home and that was the unusual thing because most stayed home.
Lori (33:18)
.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:25)
with their kids. And now it's shifted to should be able to do it all. But, and I was raised by a full-time working mum. It's a hard load to carry. But
we get that should be able to do it all because we compare ourselves to everyone else's highlight reel because face it, we only put on Facebook or any social media the highlight reel. We very rarely put the
The I've had a really bad day or I'm going through this and it just really sucks. We put the woohoo I've got this to celebrate. Maybe if we were a bit more honest with what's really happening we might see some changes
Lori (34:04)
Yeah.
you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (34:11)
but then there's also that as a massage therapist I've never seen anything like pregnancy and early parenting to turn people's sensitivity filters off.
because so much of it. Okay, the advice may be well-meaning, but it appears that everybody thinks they have a right to express their opinion to a pregnant woman or a
new parent. And I tell everyone in, because I'm an infant massage instructor as well, and I used to tell people in my classes, take the advice that you're given, including mine.
Take what works for you and the rest of it get rid of it because so
Lori (34:57)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (35:01)
much of it is the damned if you do damned if you don't or Everything has to fit into these nice neat little boxes. We don't all fit into nice neat little boxes some of us thrive being at home with our kids some of us
Lori (35:15)
Right. ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (35:23)
need to be out working because if we were home with our kids all day we'd go stark raving bonkers
and we need to have the okay this is what works for me and juggling all the balls keeping everything in the air yeah we have those days where we can do it and we absolutely rock motherhood and wouldn't change it for anything
but we have those days where it seriously kicks our butts.
Lori (35:55)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (35:57)
And
I think when we're in those times, we need other mums to be able to say, hey, it's okay, I see you. I've got you. You don't have to do it all by yourself. That's where we need our tribe. And...
relationships work best when we're helping each other. there'll be some times that I carry all of the load and there'll be some times that you'll be carrying all of the load or that sometimes one partner carries all of the load and the other and then it switches or you find what works for you.
Lori (36:19)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (36:43)
So yeah, so you said before when we were talking, before my interview on the Be Awesome network, that my last name being hyphenated.
Lori (36:57)
you
Sarah Jordan-Ross (36:58)
the... yeah, not changing the name again. But mine it was... I'd been a therapist for a long time. Professionally I was Sarah Jordan. I didn't want to go through and change everything because that was just way too much hard work but I wanted my husband's name in there as well so I put it put them together. He still just uses Ross and me and the kids are both.
Lori (37:00)
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:29)
and if one day they decide that they just want to use one, well that's fine too.
Lori (37:34)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:35)
We created our own new team!
Lori (37:38)
Totally agree.
It's beautiful.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:43)
Although it did upset a few people because there's another one of those expectations around women is that we will change our names. And for anyone that's happy to do that, then that's amazing. But if you're not, that's okay too.
Lori (38:01)
Yeah, yeah, just doing what is best for you is not, like you said, self-love is not selfish. And that's the biggest, I think, conversation that women need to have particularly.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (38:17)
I agree.
and... ⁓
And you said it too, we are all unique in our own special different ways and that is awesome.
Lori (38:27)
It truly is.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (38:29)
We could stay here and chat all day, which is what happens when you find somebody else who understands you, who gets it, who you connect with. So that's my advice and my takeaway from this session is find your tribe, find those people that you connect with that make you
thrive, not just survive because that's what it's all about.
Lori (39:00)
Mm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:02)
Laurie, thank you so much for sharing your journey with us and for the reminder that even when things get hard, we can rise, can heal and we can help others do the same. So for those listening, if something in today's conversation resonated with you, know that you're not alone. Healing is possible and your story matters. If you've got a story
Lori (39:18)
Okay.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:32)
of your own to share or a topic you'd love explored on the podcast, I would really love to hear from you. So leave a comment, send a message, connect
with me on socials, and I'm sure Laurie would say the same. Your voice really matters. Your story matters. So please share it because you never know when it might be your story that makes the difference in someone else's life.
Lori (39:47)
Mm hmm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:01)
I'm Sarah Jordan Ross and this has been Taboo Talk.