What if trauma isn’t something you can simply “think your way out of”? In this deeply honest and powerful conversation, Sarah sits down with Steve Soporn to unpack how trauma lives in the body, rewires the nervous system, and impacts everything from relationships to addiction, parenting, emotional regulation, and identity. Together, they explore what happens when we stop seeing ourselves as broken and start understanding the ways our brains adapted to survive.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:03) Hey everyone, welcome back to Tabby Talk with Sarah, the podcast that breaks the silence, fosters hope, and talks about the tough stuff so you never feel alone. If you're new here, I'm your host, Sarah Jordan Ross. I am wife, mum of three amazing boys, and I've been a wellness practitioner for 25 years. And in that time, I've held space for people through life from the cradle to the grave and every step in between.
And today's conversation is one that sits right underneath so much of how we show up in our lives, in our relationships, in our parenting, in the way we move through the world. We're talking about something that often gets misunderstood. Trauma, not as a mindset issue, not as something we can think our way out of, but as something that lives in the body. And what happens when the tools we've been taught, pushing through, staying strong, keeping it together, stop working.
And joining me in this conversation is Steve Soporn. Steve spent more than three decades in executive leadership before finding himself at a point where the strategies that had helped him succeed professionally weren't translating into how he felt in his body or how he showed up in his relationships. What shifted things for him was recognizing that trauma isn't just something we think about, it's something we carry. And that real change doesn't come from inside alone.
but from learning how to regulate the nervous system and feel safe enough internally to stay present and connected. His work now explores that space, particularly for men who are often expected to be steady and strong without ever being shown how to actually build that from the inside out. Steve, welcome to Taboo Talk. I'm really glad to have you here.
Steve (01:58)
Thank you so much for having me on, Sarah. I'm excited for the conversation.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:03)
So when you look back on your journey, what's something about that shift from relying on your mindset to understanding what was actually going on that really stands out for you but it's something that people don't often see and you wish that they really understood what was going on.
Steve (02:26)
there are multiple events, but I think one that is interesting is the first time that I ever had my brain scanned and I actually saw the wave function of my brain and it was pretty amazing because I have a significant history of child childhood trauma, long term sexual abuse, gun violence, domestic violence and had been working on it for a long time. And honestly, no one ever asked me the question. Let's look at.
what's going on actually inside your brain. I had to hear someone talk about it on Instagram. And when I did, I thought that was amazing. know, the person who said it is Dr. Daniel Amon, and he said, psychiatry is the only medical speciality where we do not look at the organ in which we treat. And I thought that's insane. And what was interesting, so I did something called neurofeedback.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (03:18)
Interesting.
Steve (03:24)
And the first thing that you do is you do a QEEG scan, which has been around for a long time. It's not very expensive. It's not actually like an MRI looking at the actual structures of your brain. It's measuring your brain waves. And so I did that. And it's not something you talk about your history with. You go in, they put the thing on. You come back the next week and they show you your scan, which the way it...
It's a lot of different images, but mostly it's images of your brain ⁓ with different wavelengths on it and where it's green, that's sort of a normal area. Where it's red, it's overpowered in that area and where it's blue, it's underpowered. And what I was told was essentially what happens, especially with trauma, is you're not generating extra power, right? A lot of us are very anxious and have this kind of revved up nervous system.
What you're doing is taking it from different parts of the brain. And what was really transformative for me was the practitioner didn't know anything about me. And he looked at my scan and he said, well, this shows the indications of childhood trauma. And these are probably some of the behavior patterns that you're having this, this, this. And, you know, I just thought this cat was living with me or whatever. And so that was... ⁓
Sarah Jordan-Ross (04:48)
You
Steve (04:52)
Really transformative experience because a lot of times when you have these kinds of experiences you end up feeling Like you're less than like there's something wrong with you So, you know, for instance, I don't know the name of my sexual abuser as a very little kid I just called him the bad man and through all these years of therapy and whatnot I realized that deep down inside I was calling myself a bad man and So
to see it on the screen and have the practitioner approach it the way like if I tore my knee up, right? They would say, okay, well, this is what's happening. We're gonna do some physical therapy. Your knee will be like this if it's working well. And so that's what they did. He said, what we're gonna do is kind of do these neurofeedback and stimulation. So we're gonna stimulate a part of your brain that is ⁓ underpowered. And it's like dog training for your brain and over...
what was great about it is they rescan your brain and I could see the function of my brain start to improve and I could analyze that with my ⁓ life and what was happening there. And it was just a real load off because I think a lot of people have a lot of shame about these things and they carry it for so long. And that notion of seeing the scan
just ended that for me. was like, no, I'm not, I didn't come out of the womb broken. I'm not a damaged unit. Something happened to me. And what trauma is, is essentially it's an overwhelming experience that actually changes the function of your brain. So you and I could have the same experience and it might not change the function of your brain, but for me it did. ⁓ So.
As I learned that, that was a big piece of transformation, but I did all kinds of different therapies to kind of move me through that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (06:54)
which is really cool. And I love what you said about looking at it the same way that you'd look at if you injured your knee. It's a nervous system injury because it does change how, how our body functions and our nervous system isn't supposed to be in fight or flight all the time. But when you've been through trauma, that effectively is what
ends up happening is that your nervous system is constantly on alert for where's the saber-toothed that's going to eat me. But we don't look at it in the same way that we look at a physical problem, but you're saying that you started to see that difference by doing so.
Steve (07:30)
Yeah, I...
Yes, seeing it fit if physically and I like to say an injury, but really it's an adaptation and especially the things that happened to me happened when I was young. And so I don't remember myself before them. They were just me. And honestly, it was not an unwise adaptation. I lived in a dangerous environment. So my and that was what I was experiencing and my brain adapted to that environment.
The nice thing about the brain is it's adaptable back. you know, what I think is really important is understand the system in which you're dealing with, with your personal psychology, your nervous system, your brain function, and just realize that it's a symptom, a system, and you can have it adapt back. So what I started doing is saying to myself that on a daily basis, I'm going to start putting good inputs in.
And whether it be therapy, which helps with trauma in some ways, it's not typically really great with it, but it helps you learn your triggers and whatnot. And so there's a loop between your story about things and how much an action becomes a fearful sort of feeling and then how you react to it.
And so I just decided that what I was going to do is on a daily basis, I was going to do something healthy for me. I was going to be curious about what was out there for me. And I was going to be courageous in doing some things. Some of the things that I had to explore were difficult. But when I looked at it, that it was not only for me, but it was for my kids and for my partner. It allowed me to have a level of motivation to tackle it.
with the same kind of gusto that I did my work or anything else that I thought was a value.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:39)
Yeah. Because you did mention that you were heavily invested in your work and in that space, everything looked like it was really great. But then you step away from that and you could see the things underneath the surface. So do you want to take us through what making that shift was like for not using it just to help you, but also
the impact that it had on your relationships with your kids.
Steve (10:13)
Yeah, so everything has shifted. when I was I was beginning this process because I'd lived with these sensations, really trauma for me and many people are difficult sensations that you learn to avoid as a little kid. And I had them all through my life and I tried to avoid them with money and business and with drug addiction and all kinds of things. But at the root of it.
It's that you're uncomfortable in the present moment because you just don't feel good inside. And that leaks out into all these things. So for instance, if my kids, you know, if you had younger kids, they're making noise and that kind of thing. I could get triggered by that. As they were older, they are bringing to me difficult emotional experiences. I was told my whole life, don't, you know, don't have emotions, stuff them down.
And so what was happening was I was doing defensive mechanisms that was shutting down my family and my partners. And as I oriented around expanding the window of tolerance that I have that I'm able to handle. So once I learned, okay, I was taught as a young boy, man up, stuff it down, you know, just be quiet.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (11:10)
Mm-hmm.
Steve (11:35)
Okay, well, it makes sense that if I was taught that I'm kind of uncomfortable with feelings. And then I started to have awareness around that. said, this is what I'm doing. I'm not trying to help my partner when I try to fix her problem. What I'm trying to do is have it so that I don't feel this way. And so as I shifted what my goal was, which was to be able to let them express themselves without me jumping in. And so that became my goal.
And it also was something that made it a lot easier for me to say I was sorry. And you know, it sounds kind of trite, but it was difficult for me to say it because I felt like my body was reacting that when I said I'm sorry, I was sort of attacking myself in some way. I wasn't worthy of love or whatnot. And then as I started to orient around, this is my goal. I want to be there for them. I want to be able to let them
express themselves. If I fell short of that, I could the next day just say, you know, look, last night wasn't the way I wanted to act. I'm not trying to be like that as a man. And I could say I was sorry without kind of blaming it on all the things that I used to do. And so as those things happen, they see you, your children, your partners is seeing you trying. They're not expecting you to be perfect. They see little shifts.
And then eventually the conversations happen and you don't have to say you're sorry. You're able to sit there with it. And you really realize your whole life that was actually true. didn't want you to fix their problem. Last thing the man hears, you know? And they actually just wanted you to listen to them. And so that's actually relatively easy.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (13:15)
No.
But that's the common thing that happens. So many men, they're told to not express their emotions or at the extreme of it, not even feel them because you're not supposed to show them ⁓ and to just push through and get on with it. Or when somebody comes to you with a problem, aren't you supposed to fix it?
So, and that tends to be what most men are told, or just push through and get on with it, toughen it up.
Steve (13:53)
Right.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:02)
But what I'm hearing from what you've said is that doing that came at a cost and actually making that shift and realizing, hey, I don't have to solve everybody's problems now has made life very different for you.
Steve (14:22)
Yeah, well, I'm actually a really good problem solver too, but I now do that when that is the request. So often with my partner, I would just say like, do you just want me to hear you out or do you want to like, do we want to solve this thing? And then I can go, go in either way. It's really the amazing part of it is, so I quit a 30 year career in finance to start talking about this. I'm writing a book, I'm doing a podcast.
And what I thought was I was going to be just Steve without my trauma feelings. And what I realized is everything in my life shifted so much. ⁓ The people that I was attracting, you're putting out an energetic presence. People can feel what is going on with you. You're getting back what you're giving out. So now I am surrounded by different people that are just more attracted to me. I'm attracted to them.
⁓ The risks that I'm able to take in business. So for instance, I was in a very risky business. I was a trader. I was making big bets with money and it seems from the outside like a courageous thing. But honestly, was just naturally good at it. And so I went towards my thing. This what we're doing here is actually takes a lot more courage ⁓ because it is a lot.
It's not something I see that is natural to me. So my sexual abusers, they often do, they threaten you. And he told me he was going to kill me if I spoke. So I stuttered incredibly badly for, ⁓ you know, a decade and I still stutter now some. And so the thought of speaking publicly that, I speak at places, I'm on podcasts, I'm doing this thing.
That is actually a lot more risk taking for me personally than what I was doing before. And I would never have been able to do this with my old nervous system. It would have been too much. So what I have found is I'm able to be more creative and see things because I have more of my brain online. I'm able to take more risks ⁓ because I know I can handle it. So in every endeavor,
My life has gotten richer. I mean, that's the whole purpose of why I gave my career up is to talk about this and to let people know my strong feeling is anybody, matter what your situation is, can change what's happening if you understand what's going on and you take steps. And I just don't want people to feel like I felt.
for four decades, which is there is something wrong with me deep down inside. And when I learned that that's not true, I wanted to make sure that I could affect as many people as possible to not feel that feeling.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (17:32)
give people real tools that they can use as well to help them to be able to do that. So you want to tell us a little bit about some of those things that that you're doing now so that other people don't find themselves in the same spot that you did or don't feel the way that that you were feeling. So you mentioned a book and a podcast.
Steve (17:58)
Yeah, so I'm writing a book and I'll have, you know, kind of my view on healing. And really what I felt about that is what I didn't have was an overview of what was happening and what I was doing. I was doing different things, right? I would go to therapy and I would talk a little bit and then I would do this thing or that thing. And I never really understood what they were particularly affecting and how they work together.
And so the level of my trauma and the sensations were strong. wasn't as if I was going to do four sessions somewhere and my life was changed. It was going to take some real sustained work. And so as I learned, especially with the scan, ⁓ that this was just a situation that I could change, I started to adopt some of my business ⁓ techniques.
And I really learned that there are, you know, there's three basic functions that are going on. Your body is giving you reflexive actions that turn into two emotions. And for me before those things would just instantly create a behavior, right? I would feel this thing and I would lash out or I would have a drink or there was no space between the sort of reflex that I was feeling and what I was doing.
And so I started to work on my nervous system and doing breath work and I did psychedelics, which helps with the function of the brain, but also to change the story. So it's a loop as you change the story about yourself, you know, that the world is threatening now, the world is out is for me. Well, then you're less likely to have the difficult sensation show up.
So then you have less of them. And then when you learn that you can impact the way your nervous system works and you can wind up widen that window of tolerance, then you work on that thing. And it's standard things that people know, breath work, meditation, neurofeedback, which I highly recommend people ⁓ learn about. It's been around for a long time and it's very helpful. Also,
inner child work and learning about my story and sort of saying in that way, I could work on what was coming up for me at that time. It's hard to do all these things at once, right? You're not doing everything. But if you're saying, man, I'm really starting to get upset when my partner says this and I don't know. And so you talk about it with a therapist or whatever. Okay, that's what it is. It's related to something my dad said or whatever it is. Then you know that story.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (20:34)
Yeah.
Steve (20:51)
then okay, that's sort of down. Man, I'm blowing up here or there. I'm not doing this and I'm gonna work on my breath work or meditation more. So I was rolling through different sort of strategies as things would come up, but I knew they were all part of the framework that was at some point healing some of this ⁓ cycle for me. And a lot of it is telling yourself who you are.
Because I told you I felt I felt bad inside and as I started to understand the way the brain works What you identify as is what your brain is sorting out all this information on it starts to find it for you so I started to tell myself the things that I I believed that I was and those things started to happen more and I'll tell you one thing as part of this one of the most difficult things for me was sleeping
A lot of the things that would happen negatively in my house would happen when I was a kid at night. And so I have this experience of sleeping and waking up to lot of screams and noises and whatnot. And so I just woke up that night. could fall asleep, but I'd wake up and I needed to just basically drug myself to sleep. ⁓ And then you are groggy. And my very wise partner told me that she had similar issues and she was like, I just started telling myself.
that I'm a good sleeper. And I started doing that. And then when I woke up, instead of saying, I had a terrible night's sleep, I just reframe it to saying, ⁓ I didn't sleep as well as I could last night. And I am talking about decades of sleep disorder ⁓ resolving in a matter of months from that sort of talk. Now, of course, I've been doing a lot of other things and whatnot, but
So that's, know, I think the tools are important. think understanding the system in which you're dealing with is important. Also having the people that you interact with now. So I don't know if you've ever done couples counseling, but I did, I've had two marriages and there would be very reasonable asks of me, you know, we'll sit there and listen to what she says, fully hear it. All these things I would agree to.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:56)
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Steve (23:17)
And then as I felt threatened or whatever with the conversation, I couldn't do it. Right. And I would create some reason why she was wrong or be defensive or blow up or whatever some way to stop what was happening. Then you go back into the couples counseling and you just feel like an inadequate person. Right. Why can't I keep the most basic of agreements with my wife? Right. ⁓ Had I known had anybody told me
Sarah Jordan-Ross (23:24)
Yeah.
Steve (23:47)
well, physiologically, it was almost impossible for you to keep that agreement because the way your nervous system is, you can't make that agreement now. So what you have to do is actually work on your nervous system. And so then had my partner and I known that, then we'd have been on the same thing. I could have said, okay, well, what happened with is I got flooded with all these brain chemicals. My prefrontal cortex went offline, you know, and we would both have known that.
And we could have, it could have looked instead of like me breaking an agreement or being the kind of person that maybe she's thinking, this guy will never be able to do it. But no, this is just a process and this process can change if you give it the right inputs. And it just made everything so much easier when your people know that you're working on something.
and they also know that it's not necessarily an easy thing to deal with. ⁓ They give you grace, right?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:53)
They learn to take it a little less personally because they know that it's not about them or you're not attacking them. You're just going through a phase you need to work through yourself and that your body and your nervous system in that particular moment aren't feeling safe and your brain is looking for everything it can to support what you're thinking. Because those stories that we tell ourselves
Steve (25:21)
Yeah, it becomes a process.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:23)
Yeah.
Steve (25:23)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it becomes a process that you are not in control of. And it would just be as if your partner would would not get mad at you for limping if you had a busted knee, right. So if they understand the dynamic, and we're all on the same page, that said, I'm responsible for my actions. So so
I can't just use that as, well, this happened. mean, in the context of somebody working on it, in the context of that we're human beings and we're moving forward in a certain way, in the context that I'm willing to say I'm sorry and take ownership of it and not blame them, things become a lot smoother.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:12)
we actually work on what's really going on and give each other grace for that healing process then also once that initial healing process is then it becomes that that daily challenge of staying connected staying regulated keeping those agreements I suppose in some ways and
Steve (26:39)
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's
the kind of thing what what's nice about knowing that there are a lot of tools and knowing what they actually affect. Yes, we're we're humans and it would kind of be boring if we figured this all out and everything was perfect all all the time, right? You continue to grow. Yeah. And you continue to have hurdles and whatnot. So we just address them. ⁓ But
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:56)
We know what to do.
Steve (27:04)
What it does is it makes people allies instead of enemies. If you have a loving relationship and you're talking about these things and you're saying, we're in this together, look, I'm not intending to blow up at you. Like, I'm sorry for what happened as a kid, I'm responsible for it, I'm working on it. ⁓ Those things tend to work out.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:10)
Yeah.
Yeah. It's about communicating clearly and when we can all do that, things tend to work a little bit, bit better.
Steve (27:38)
And it's also a good measure of who you want to be with and who you want to hang out with. Because if people can't handle that, and some people can't, know, at the end of the day, ⁓ you want to be with somebody who's sort of understanding and working on their own things. And ⁓ my experience with this is as I shifted, the right partner showed up, the right business people showed up, people who were
kind of picking up what I was laying down as I shifted. You know, I was more attractive to them and them to me. And ⁓ every part of my life has gotten better.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:18)
Did you find some things just naturally fell away or things that you had been doing previously, you just went, they don't work anymore and you didn't even want to do those things or be in those places or just keep pushing through that uncomfortable?
Steve (28:37)
Yeah, you know what? I mean, I had a very addicted background, so I was definitely an alcoholic, functional alcoholic. I was a crack addict for many, many years. And over the past, I haven't drank in four years. I don't use drugs. And I'm not exercising any willpower because what I really realized was I didn't love wine at dinner that much.
what I was doing was calming down my body. And I had a men's group leader, I highly recommend men's group, being with other men, supporting, talking, being vulnerable. But when the drinking was coming up, he said to me, well, don't quit drinking, just be aware of what you're doing. So what I'd suggest is maybe before you have a drink, take a couple of breaths and...
Okay, why am I doing this? Is it because it tastes really good with a steak? Okay, great. Well, then do it. What I started to learn was that it was a good mechanism to calm my body down for the first couple of drinks. And then of course the addiction roll rolls in. And the thing that sort of prompted me leaving my finance career last year is I had been making progress for a long time.
you know, years of not drinking, losing a bunch of weight in the outward view of me, you could see that things were going better. But I still had what I called the addict's body, which was this oncoming sensation that I just didn't feel comfortable with. And I'd learned to shift it up now with yoga or maybe a little bit of a weed gummy, but things that weren't as destructive. And one...
day last year that dynamic sort of stopped and I didn't have that anymore. And it took me a couple weeks to really trust it. And what I was noticing in those couple weeks was I was just going to bed and realizing, oh my God, I never reached for anything today. And it was just a shock because I didn't reach for them because I didn't have something to avoid. mean, I've lost
Sarah Jordan-Ross (30:53)
didn't need them.
Steve (30:58)
40 or 50 pounds, I just remember like waking up, just being in the kitchen, eating, not remembering to make the choice to do that, nothing, just sort of on autopilot, walk over there and start. And as the nervous system calmed down, those things just disappeared. And so to me, I don't believe addiction is a disease at all. ⁓ There's a...
University of Tennessee here in the United States has a really big addiction center and they studied thousands of their patients and they found that 92 % of them had childhood trauma. There's a test called the ACE test and you have to have three. And so if you have three, you're considered that you've had a significant amount of trauma. But the way that test is organized is
Each one of the 10 categories is its own category. So you could be sexually abused for a decade and have none of the other nine and you wouldn't be considered to have trauma on that threshold, but clearly you would. So in my view, it is a hundred percent of people with heavy addiction have some sort of trauma. And I have known many, many, many of us who just, it's not hard.
I'm not white-knuckling it. I don't need to go to meetings. It's just, I do the things to maintain, but it has changed so much and I just have no desire. know, I mean, I think I burnt myself. I remember some things that I did on alcohol and drugs that I don't wanna do and I'm almost 60 now. I don't like the way I feel when I drink. So it's just easy and that's...
was a huge part of my life. didn't think I could socialize without it. Drinking some courage and now it's just like what's happened is ⁓ I've found people who, you know they have a drink or two but they're not getting drunk and there's so many people now that don't drink and it's just been easy and so I think there's a lot of fear around that especially with alcohol because it's so prevalent.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:02)
Mm.
Steve (33:23)
But my experience is ⁓ it's not hard at all and I have a totally fun social life and I still do go out and see bands and do things and all that. And so yeah, it's just, it's a blessing to work on that and see how your life can change.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (33:44)
Yeah, and you're definitely right that trauma impacts an awful lot. We had a former guest who was on a couple of times last year, Jackie Wilkinson, she wrote Turning the Tables on Trauma. Now Jackie had nine out of the ten aces.
She now is a wing commander in the British Air Force. She has a couple of a couple of degrees to her name, has completely turned her life around from hitting rock bottom in her late teens and she's completely turned her life around and is now making sure that
Steve (34:11)
Wow, amazing.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (34:33)
no one else is going through the same experiences that she did. yet it's... You can't deny the impact that trauma has. But as her story shows, as your story shows, when you deal with the effects of that trauma, when you recognise that, yes...
Steve (34:38)
Hmm.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (34:59)
the way it impacted your nervous system has affected how you function in everything else. And you make those steps, you can build an amazing, beautiful life that doesn't have to continue being affected by that trauma.
Steve (35:18)
No, absolutely. There's something called post-traumatic growth. And actually they have measured this. so when you actually recover from the trauma, of course you have a lower floor, but your ceiling is higher. So you can relate in different ways. And it's certainly true that trauma is a difficult thing and you can get your life back. But at the end of the day, we're all human beings and we had a version of this, whether it was...
meets the definition of trauma. Maybe it doesn't, but we all grew up in certain environments where there was certain messaging that we weren't right, we weren't the way that we were supposed to be. And I look at it like this, like we all came out with a light, this shining, beautiful thing, and it's covered up, right? And with trauma, maybe mine was like blasted with spray paint really quickly.
but somebody else, could be just little drops over a long time. And our life path, I really think, is to slowly clear away that so that our light shines. And so it's going within those wounds and all of us can do it. And you gain a certain kind of confidence, I think, from doing the things that are internal to you. So for instance, even me doing the speaking now.
I know for me that was a huge one, right? A lot of people would have thought my finance career was more courageous or whatever than speaking to you on this podcast. But for me personally, that's my wound. And so when you tackle the thing you've been avoiding your whole life, I created an entire life structure around avoiding these feelings. And
Now I figured out how to deal with them and I'm certainly not perfect. I mean, there's all kinds of things that I'm not doing well, but I have a certain level of confidence that I know that I took on what was there for me. And I feel good about it. And it's the kind of thing that is so empowering for people. And I know it's scary, but if you just take little steps, you can make a lot of progress.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:40)
And baby steps get you where you're going, just as well as big strides do.
Steve (37:46)
Absolutely.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:48)
Yeah. So for everyone listening, is there one thing that you'd like them to take away from, from our chat today?
Steve (37:59)
I think at the most base of it is if they have that feeling that there's something wrong with them, that they came out of the womb with a damage or a brokenness, that is just not true. It's an adaptation and you can adapt back and you can end up in a place that you might have thought you couldn't because you thought it was you.
But really it was just how your brain adapted probably wisely to the situation. So learn about it a little bit, take daily actions, baby steps. It doesn't have to be five minutes a day of breath work. That could be a big change for somebody. So figure it out, know you're not damaged and take little steps on a daily basis and things will change.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (38:58)
Yeah, because all through our life, I agree that we come into the world a bright, shiny light and somewhere along the way it gets dimmed, but we can remember who we are and we can start shining that light again. So thank you for reminding us about that. Now, if somebody wanted to learn more about your work and what you're doing, how's the best way for them to connect with you?
Steve (39:28)
Yeah, at this point, the only thing I have on offer is my podcast. It's called The Neuro's Journey. It's like the hero's journey into your own mind. And we talk about a lot of different things related to healing or just general leadership or whatever is interesting. It's on all the platforms. And I am writing a book now and that'll be out at some point. And I think that will be a valuable tool for people when it comes out.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:04)
So I think that might be a good spot for us to finish up today. Thank you so much for being here and for sharing your wisdom. I think it's one of those conversations that I hope helps people make sense of what's going on and for them to realize that they're not alone and they're not broken.
Steve (40:30)
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me, Sarah. I really appreciate it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:34)
Thank you.
Thank you again and to everyone listening, if this conversation has resonated with you, if you're starting to see some of those patterns in your own life, I hope that Steve's story lets you see that you can change those patterns.
As he said, your brain adapted, it can adapt again.
and we'll put the details of Steve's show in the show notes so if you want to take a listen to that you can. And as always thank you for being here, thank you for being part of this space and for sharing stories. I'm Sarah Jordan Ross and this has been Taboo Talk. Until next time, take care of yourselves, take care of each other and remember...
Your story matters, so share it because your story might be the one that makes a difference to somebody else. Bye for now.