What would change if you stopped looking in the mirror for everything that wasn't “enough” and started appreciating the person looking back at you? In this warm, funny and deeply honest conversation, Sarah sits down with Margot Grant Witz, Vice President of Elizabeth Grant Skincare, to explore confidence, ageing, motherhood, guilt, identity and the pressure women carry to have it all together. From her 103-year-old grandmother's extraordinary story of resilience to Margot's own experiences with motherhood, miscarriage and self-worth, this episode is a reminder that ageing is a privilege, vulnerability connects us, and being comfortable in your own skin starts with being kinder to yourself.
Why feeling comfortable in your own skin is about far more than appearance
How the constant message of being “not enough” or “too much” affects women's confidence
Why ageing is a privilege to embrace rather than something to fear
The guilt women carry and why sometimes you need to intentionally “empty your cup”
Why vulnerability, community and honest conversations remind us we're not alone
How defining success and making choices on your own terms can change the way you experience life
“If someone tells you you're too much, tell them to go find less.”
“It takes a village to raise a woman.”
“Hope isn't in the definitive. Hope is in the opportunity.”
00:00 – Introducing Margot and the conversation about confidence, identity and self-worth
01:33 – What does it really mean to feel comfortable in your own skin?
01:42 – Why women are constantly made to feel like they're “not enough”
02:12 – Looking in the mirror and learning to be kind to yourself
03:21 – How our relationship with our skin reflects our relationship with ourselves
04:26 – Why ageing is a blessing, not something to fear
05:26 – Three generations of women and their different experiences with ageing
06:45 – Living in the moment instead of worrying about future imperfections
07:12 – Margot's 103-year-old grandmother's philosophy on enjoying life
07:54 – What happens when we let people see what's really behind the curtain
08:00 – The pressure women feel to wear every hat and never drop the facade
09:00 – Why a mum shouldn't feel guilty about simply enjoying a cup of coffee
10:07 – Taking time for yourself can make you a better mum, partner and person
10:42 – “You have to empty a cup to fill it”
11:12 – Choosing what you want to refill your life with
12:00 – Why we often wait for burnout before deciding something needs to change
13:09 – The lessons Margot learned from looking up at rock bottom
15:35 – Letting go of guilt and accepting that none of us can carry everything
16:03 – Why “it takes a village to raise a woman”
16:20 – We were never designed to do life alone
16:48 – Redefining what strength looks like for women
17:35 – Why vulnerability and asking for help are strengths, not weaknesses
18:00 – The damaging pressure to appear perfect
19:14 – How changing ourselves to fit in can make us forget who we really are
19:20 – “If someone tells you you're too much, tell them to go find less”
20:46 – The women we compare ourselves to may be comparing themselves to us
21:15 – Finding the tribe that fits your unique “vibe”
22:28 – Social media and our universal desire to belong
23:00 – Why belonging and fitting in are not the same thing
25:25 – Why sharing our insecurities helps other people feel less alone
27:13 – Asking better questions instead of pretending we have all the answers
28:15 – The women who fought to give future generations more choices
29:06 – Margot shares her grandmother Elizabeth Grant's extraordinary story
29:06 – Surviving a V-2 rocket attack during World War II and suffering facial injuries
30:00 – Refusing to accept that nothing could be done for her damaged skin
31:00 – The discovery that ultimately led to Elizabeth Grant's signature skincare ingredient
32:00 – A conversation with actress Vivien Leigh that helped spark a business idea
33:02 – Launching one of the earliest facial serums in 1948
34:00 – Knocking on the doors of Selfridges and refusing to accept rejection
35:00 – “If someone closes the door, go through a window”
36:00 – Rebuilding the company after bankruptcy
37:00 – Margot's mother being rejected by 27 banks before receiving a $5,000 loan
37:36 – Generations of women refusing to be kept small
39:12 – “Get the job, then figure out how to do it”
40:13 – Why Margot doesn't believe in “can” and “can't”
41:23 – What gives Margot hope for the future
42:00 – Women supporting women instead of pulling each other down
43:00 – Margot opens up about IVF and miscarriage
43:30 – The importance of talking openly about experiences that make people feel alone
44:00 – “Do you want me to listen or do you want my opinion?”
45:00 – Taking ownership of our choices and becoming the conductor of our own lives
45:12 – “Hope isn't in the definitive. Hope is in the opportunity.”
45:53 – Why silence around miscarriage doesn't make the experience easier
47:00 – The need for better conversations and research around women's health
48:24 – The pressures facing teenagers today
49:00 – Looking beneath bullying and asking what may be driving the behaviour
50:13 – Raising good humans and creating a kinder ripple effect
51:11 – Margot's final piece of wisdom about what really defines us
52:43 – Where to connect with Margot and Elizabeth Grant Skincare
54:46 – Why life doesn't stop at 40, 50, 60, 70 or beyond
55:22 – Sarah's closing reminder to become comfortable in your own skin and share your story
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:00) Hey everybody, welcome back to Taboo Talk with Sarah, the podcast that breaks the silence, fosters hope, and talks about the tough stuff so you never feel alone. If you're new here, I'm your host, Sarah Jordan Ross. I'm a wife, I'm a mum, I was a remedial massage therapist for 25 years, I'm a wellness coach speaker, and I think we need to talk about a whole lot more than we talk about.
So today's guest is Margot Grant Wits. Margot is the vice president of Elizabeth Grant Skincare, a third-generation family business founded by her grandmother. She leads Global Brand, well sorry, Global
Margot Grant Witz (00:38)
That's okay.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (00:39)
Brand Strategy.
Product development and partnerships. The product development side interests me because I'm a bit of a science geek. But what interested me most wasn't the business. It was the conversation Margot's encouraging around confidence, identity, visibility, aging, and what it means to define success on our own terms. So today's conversation isn't really about skincare, although we will talk about that. It's about us. It's about the stories we tell ourselves when we look in the mirror.
It's
about confidence, identity, self-worth, and learning to feel at home in our own skin. And for some of us that's not always easy. Margot, welcome to Taboo Talk. I'm so glad to have you here.
Margot Grant Witz (01:27)
I'm so
honored and privileged to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (01:33)
So let's start with something simple. When you hear the phrase feeling comfortable in your own skin, what's it mean to you?
Margot Grant Witz (01:42)
I think
our whole lives, and I'll always pepper this for women, and I know men can feel this way, and some men do feel this way, but I know most women feel this way. That we're always told something's not quite enough about us. We're either not tall enough, not short enough, not slim enough, not plump enough, not this enough, not that enough. And we're always not enough. So even if we look in the mirror and we go, I like what we see, we always have that little voice going, but what about this?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:11)
This could be better.
Hmm.
Margot Grant Witz (02:12)
And
is that is my hair too long? Do I look tired? Do I look good in this outfit? And so what I always say by looking in the mirror and feeling comfortable in your skin is looking in the mirror and just being kind to yourself and saying, I really like me today. Something might not be the best. Our hair could be out of place. We could be in a size of a pair of pants that maybe would would like to change, but it's being able to be grateful for
Who's looking back at us and all the kindness and love we've shared along the way with each other?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:49)
Yes. But being kind to ourselves. So often we're so much kinder to other people than we are to ourselves.
Margot Grant Witz (02:56)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (02:59)
And
You've
spent your career in an industry where I just assume it's all about appearance, but sometimes I think it goes a little bit deeper than that, and it's actually about our identity. Have you found that people's relationship with their skin is more than surface deep? It's really about a relationship with themselves.
Margot Grant Witz (03:21)
I'm really lucky that I've grown up with my grandmother who started the company, Elizabeth Grant. She's a hundred and three years young today. And my mom, who's my grandmother's daughter-in-law, who's seventy-three years young today, and you can say here I'm saying young versus old, because when my mom first came into the company, she was forty-six years old. She felt old. She felt st stuck where she was.
And I had two incredible women on two totally different personalities and paths and interactions with their own confidence, who always said, if we're not kind to ourselves, who's going to be kind to us? And how can we change the narrative around the aging process to feel more comfortable and more empowered and to help understand that aging is a blessing. It's not something that everyone is afforded.
And if we're able to complain about aging, think about the opposite. If you can't complain, that means you're not here to experience it. So for
Sarah Jordan-Ross (04:26)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (04:26)
me, although we're in an industry and the majority of the industry wants to keep you almost in a time capsule, your 20s. This is what you have to look like. We're in a time that
My mom and my grandmother and I are your cheerleaders of the aging journey. We're customers too. We're three generations of women. And I always joke, I can't look at my grandma and be like, Grams, you don't get it. You don't understand aging. She's like, I'm 103. Of course I understand it, right? And I can't look at my mom, who is like an avid sun worshiper in South Africa with the baby oil and the tin foil and no SPF and be like, you don't get it.
You don't understand sun damage. And there's a point that's it's there's a point that's nice that we come from lived experiences together that we like to help to make other women feel great in who they are at every age and every stage.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (05:26)
Love
that. Yeah. And yes, you could definitely not tell your mother that she doesn't get skin damage and sun damage because she's from purely by the age that she is and that she's South African. And I was laughing because I'm Australian and
Margot Grant Witz (05:46)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (05:47)
the generation before me, I may be part of the slip-slop slap generation, but my sisters were not.
They're a little bit older than me and it used to be that the thing was, yeah, you'd lather yourself up in in baby oil or or reef ten or something like that and you hadn't done your job if you weren't burnt.
Margot Grant Witz (06:10)
And go with the sun. No, you
d and I used to go with the sun. Like if the shadow was directly behind me, I was in the good alignment. So I get it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (06:23)
It's only now at fifty and beyond that we're starting to pay the price for that, but and I am very grateful that that is no longer so much the the case.
Margot Grant Witz (06:39)
one of those things that I think you know this the conversation is hindsight's 2020 but
Sarah Jordan-Ross (06:44)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (06:45)
in that moment in that moment you're sitting there in the sun and you feel great and nothing is going to happen in that moment and I think that's I think who we are as a brand and as a family is we want everyone to live in their moments that are just making them feel so great.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (07:06)
that's what life's about. It's for living, it's for enjoying. And at No, you go. No.
Margot Grant Witz (07:12)
Yeah, my grandmother always says sorry. I was gonna say, my grandmother
always says, You're not gonna get out alive. Nobody likes a misery. So, you know, and my favorite thing is someone will come up to me and be like, Margot, how are you? And I'm like, I'm great. Except for all the stuff that is not so great that you don't want to hear that you're also dealing with yourself, but otherwise we're fantastic. And everyone chuckles because it's true.
We all have the pile
Sarah Jordan-Ross (07:38)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (07:38)
that we can whip out to be like this happened and this happened and this happened, but no one wants to hear it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (07:48)
so much fun to only put the highlight reel out if everybody knew that there was all that other stuff.
Margot Grant Witz (07:54)
If everybody
knew what was behind the curtain, if everybody knew that the experience that they felt, maybe someone else felt too. And I feel that I'll have all the uncomfortable conversations left, right, and center, so that I can maybe help someone else feel less alone or less broken. Because we keep so much.
Inside of us and women specifically, we keep a lot inside of us because we wear so many hats and we can't drop a ball of a hat if you're a mom, if you're a friend, if you're a wife, if you're a professional, you can't drop the facade. You have to have it all together and keep it going and it's all perfect and everything's great and I will make it and I will pack the lunches. And then you sort of sit there going, But if I say I feel not so great, if I say that maybe I'm enjoying something that I shouldn't be enjoying, what does that say about me?
I bumped into some girlfriends the other day. We're all at a kid's birthday party. And I see two moms sitting in there having a kapa, okay, a cup of coffee. And I was like, Ooh, this looks so great. And they s and the one mom said to me, I feel really guilty. And I said, Why? And she said, Well, because my husband and my other child are playing in the park. I said, Okay, so what do you feel guilty about? She said, Well, I'm sitting here having a cup of coffee. And I said, Do they know that you're sitting here having a cup of coffee?
She said no. I said are they s looking for you because they can't they're not having a fun time in the park? She said no. I said, I think they'll be okay. And I think you'll be okay too. And I think you should enjoy that cup of coffee, and in fact I think you should get another one.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:32)
Yes,
and enjoy it for as long as you can. They
Margot Grant Witz (09:35)
As long as you want.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:37)
it would be a different story if her phone was going off and there was an issue with the kid and her husband didn't know where she was or couldn't get hold of her. But that would be
Margot Grant Witz (09:46)
The husband would find her faster
than an air tag would find her if there was an issue going on. Right? Like husbands
Sarah Jordan-Ross (09:51)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (09:54)
are perfect at that, being like, mm, babe, where's the catch-up? I don't know. You know, if a husband needs something, a husband will find you. But if he's not looking, don't drop the guilt. Enjoy the kappa.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:02)
Yes. Leave him be Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (10:07)
Have some catch up with your girlfriend and fill your soul because you'll be a better
mom and a better wife and a better person because you feel that your soul is a bit more fulfilled.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:21)
Yeah, you can't pour from an empty cup. It's just you can't if you're running on empty, that's going to have an impact on those around you because you can't take care of them if you don't take care of you.
Margot Grant Witz (10:38)
For sure.
But this is what I'll say to that as well.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:41)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (10:42)
You have to empty a cup to fill it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (10:45)
True.
Margot Grant Witz (10:45)
So you have to be able to say, This no longer suits me, out it goes. Or this was lived its life and I loved it so much. Out it goes. And then you have the opportunity to say, What do I want to fill my cup with today? And I say that a lot to empty nesters, for example, when they go, So now what? My kids are all gone. I have an empty house. I
I no longer have this role. And I go, isn't that great? What do you want to do?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (11:11)
Because now you get to choose.
Margot Grant Witz (11:12)
What do you want to do? You know? And so I say, as much as you can't fill from an empty cup, you definitely can't. But every once in a while it's really nice to empty that cup on purpose and then be able to refill it with things that really make your soul sing.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (11:30)
Yeah. 'Cause you don't always feel like coffee every day. Sometimes you want something different
Margot Grant Witz (11:35)
You don't always feel like coffee.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (11:36)
in that cup.
Margot Grant Witz (11:38)
Or sometimes that cup of coffee that works so well for you for so many years all of a sudden makes you really jittery or gives you a headache, and you have to re-examine something different and something new and something that you probably didn't know that you wanted a cup of tea in the morning or a cup of the mushroom coffee or whatever it is. But we only respond when something feels broken.
When something feels stressful, when something feels too much, when something feels burnout, that's when most women will stand and go, maybe I should do something, maybe I should make a change. So I always encourage people, maybe once in a while, just purposely empty your cup. Try, try to feel what that feels like, because everything else will come into place, everything else will sort out, and don't worry.
Emptying your cup doesn't mean taking off the mom hat, doesn't mean taking off the professional hat, doesn't mean taking off the friend hat. But sometimes it's nice to refill your cup with you.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (12:44)
And
to adjust all of those hats and make sure that they all still fit. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (12:48)
Yeah. And that you like how they fit.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (12:50)
Yeah. And how great would it be if we could start making those changes and recognizing when we were getting depleted before we actually hit that rock bottom, I need to change something.
Margot Grant Witz (13:09)
Yeah, I think it would be great. And I always say my immediate knee-jerk reaction to that is my two biggest moments of growth was when I was looking up at Rock Bottom. I love I hated the moment, but I loved the lessons. And then the other side of it is it's not even how great would it be to not get to the burnout stage. It's how great would it be to let go of the guilt that no matter what stage you end up on the other side of that.
That you feel comfortable and confident does with the consequences that come with your choices, right? If I'm not gonna cook dinner tonight, I know what the consequence is. In a couple hours, I'm gonna be hungry and I'm gonna be scrambling to try to order something. But in that moment, I wanted to not make the dinner so I could spend time with my children, right? So we always feel that by juggling, that we have to and we miss out on the opportunity about.
Everything that can come from the chaos.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:09)
Silence fans digging through every scene,
everything looking for meaning in the shadows. I actually really like to get that to the theory in the comments. Sorry, I'm just getting distracted in the background.
Margot Grant Witz (14:21)
It's okay.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:24)
Sorry. Can you hear anything other than me coming through?
Margot Grant Witz (14:29)
I definitely can. I
can hear the lovely I think it was the telly. but
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:33)
Yeah, it is.
Margot Grant Witz (14:35)
you know, that's the beauty of life. It's not that distracting
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:38)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (14:39)
to me, but this is your circus and your monkeys.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:43)
I like that. And it's one of my little monkeys that's making noise in the background. So I might just ask him.
Margot Grant Witz (14:49)
And I'm sure if you told I'm sure
if you're like, turn the TV down, the monkey would be like, Mom
Sarah Jordan-Ross (14:57)
No, he's just looking at me. Could you please t thank you?
This new microphone of mine picks up everything.
Margot Grant Witz (15:15)
Well, it's a phenomenal microphone.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:18)
Thank you.
And not sure where we where we were but it was the
Margot Grant Witz (15:28)
We were
at letting go of the guilt that we s sometimes always hold about not
Sarah Jordan-Ross (15:35)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (15:35)
making a choice or making the wrong choice. And I think when we absolve ourselves of understanding we're not perfect, we're gonna make mistakes, we can't carry it all. Like I've always said for quite some time, a lot of people say it takes a village to raise a child. And I think in a way, yes, that's true.
But I think mostly it takes a woman to ra it takes a village to raise a woman. Women
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:01)
I would agree with that.
Margot Grant Witz (16:03)
need other women to say, did this happen to you? Can you help me with this? Can you babysit my kid? How do was your child struggling? What are you feeding your kid? Because my kid doesn't eat. And I think
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:14)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (16:15)
in those nuances, that's the village we all need.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:20)
Yes.
Because we were never designed to do life alone. We were meant to do it as a village in community. We were meant to lean on each other and help and support each other. Where along the line did we get the idea that one person has to have all the answers for everything?
Margot Grant Witz (16:40)
I think it was the power suit. I think once some woman
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:43)
Okay.
Margot Grant Witz (16:44)
put on a suit in the 80s for the power suit, you had to play
Sarah Jordan-Ross (16:47)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (16:48)
the part, right? And there's the famous the famous like analogy of you're in a road trip with your husband and you know you're lost and you're like, let's just pull over and ask for directions. And the whole running joke for decades, and I'm sure it's changed today, but for decades was like, No, I'm good. We'll figure it out, right? And so
Sarah Jordan-Ross (17:07)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (17:07)
it was always that emulation.
when women started to feel that they had to emulate the same behaviors, the same aggression, the same personality, the same, I am strong, versus it's okay to be who you are and redefine what strength actually looks like and feels like and can be, depending on the person who's driving it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (17:35)
somewhere along the line we started seeing that vulnerability or admitting that we needed help as being a weakness where it's not, it's a it can be a strength.
Margot Grant Witz (17:45)
It can be, but this that's not profitable in the land of psycho psychology and psychoanalytics, right? So also when that came up, that vulnerability was how does that make you feel? And you're sitting there going, I don't feel that bad. They're like, Are you sure? And you're like, wait, do I? And it's those seeds of doubt, and those seeds of doubt that are planted that grow into these forests of despair, these forests of fear, these forests of woes. And instead of being able to take a step back
And say, you know, it is okay. It's okay not to be okay. It's okay to be okay. It's okay to not know. It's okay to be unsure. It's okay to be unsteady. It was almost felt in this obnoxious level of pressure of something is broken with you because you're not the image of perfection. And it goes back to, are you enough?
And what does that question mean? Because if so many people around the world are telling you everything that you are is not enough, or on the flip side, everything about you is too much, it's really hard to find your own footing.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (18:58)
Yeah.
To figure out where that where that happy medium is and so often we we either amp ourselves up or tone ourselves down to fit in with whatever environment
Margot Grant Witz (19:11)
Someone else.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (19:12)
it is that we're yeah. And
Margot Grant Witz (19:14)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (19:14)
I think somewhere along the lines sometimes we forget who we are. Or for Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (19:20)
I'll be happy to remind everyone. I think yeah,
I'm I'm a very big fan of it, because I always say if someone sells you you're too much, tell them to go find less. Just tootaloo, you're not my friend. Or, you know, what
Sarah Jordan-Ross (19:31)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (19:31)
do you bring to the table? Darling, I am the table. Like there wouldn't be people sitting around the table without a wonderful woman, you know? So it's
Sarah Jordan-Ross (19:38)
Exactly.
Margot Grant Witz (19:39)
one of those things of and I don't
Listen, I believe in God and I believe in spirituality and God didn't put anybody here on the place of this wonderful spinning rock to be anything but themselves. And all of your wonderful
Sarah Jordan-Ross (19:53)
That's it.
Margot Grant Witz (19:54)
nuances, the small ones, the big ones, the the the little idiosyncrasies, anything that you could be feeling uncomfortable with or not confident with, someone else is looking at you going, Gosh, I wish I was more like her.
I wish I was as strong as her, as tall as her, as loud as her, as confident as her. I wish I could cook as well as her. I wish I was funny. I wish people like stood up when they saw there's always someone looking, being like, I wish I was like her. And we're so blinded by our own insecurities and also in that same moment looking at the person who's looking at us. And you're probably thinking, I wish I was more like her too.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (20:36)
That's what I was
gonna say. It's quite possibly that woman that you're looking at saying, I wish I was more like her is standing there saying, I wish I was more like her. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (20:46)
Yeah. And when we
sort of drop that armor and this discomfort and we say hello, we find that all out in this beautiful opportunity that connects us and that vulnerability that we're our insecurities, we realize we're not alone in them. Now your insecurity might not lane up with somebody else's and your vibe might not might not attract that tribe. And that's fine.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (21:14)
That's
okay.
Margot Grant Witz (21:15)
But there's always a tribe for your incredible magnetic vibe.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (21:21)
Yeah. And each and every one of us is made, well, I believe each and every one of us is made to fill a purpose that only we can, to bring
Margot Grant Witz (21:30)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (21:31)
a particular gift to the world and the world needs for us to share that, whatever it happens to be, and to do it wholeheartedly and
Not with pretending that we're any more or less than than what we are. And I know. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (21:49)
Well, the problem is with social media is at once
in unless you're you you put something out, sometimes no one puts anything out. I always joke. My husband does nothing on social media and I do everything on social media. And like I'll joke is my annivers our anniversary of my birthday. I I like sort of expect like a collage of me being like, I love my wife. Happy birthday to my wife And he's like, Why do I have to do he's like, Why do I have to do that?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:13)
It doesn't come.
Margot Grant Witz (22:15)
I'm like, I don't know, but everyone else does. And I feel like
People know we're married, but
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:21)
Hm.
Margot Grant Witz (22:22)
strangers on the internet need to know we're married too.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:26)
Ha ha ha.
Margot Grant Witz (22:28)
People I
don't know need to know how much you love me.
And we're all just a sucker for it. We're all just a sucker to be be invited to the birthday party. We're all just a sucker to have someone say, Do you want to be friends? We're all just looking to belong.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (22:45)
Well
that's it. And we're searching for that belonging. And I know Brene Brown wrote once that belonging and fitting in are not the same thing.
Margot Grant Witz (23:00)
Not at all.
You weren't born to fit in. You were born to stand out. You were born to be who you are. You were born to be a puzzle piece of this beautiful mosaic of life. You were born to be part of a a a quilt that in your own life you have your own quilt of own different moments and identities and personalities and likes and dislikes and growths.
And then that quilt is a fabric that fits into so many other pieces. And so when you're the same, it's very boring.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (23:40)
We need everyone to be that little bit different. And if we were all wearing exactly the same mask, we'd never know who who.
Margot Grant Witz (23:47)
the the best
part is if we're all wearing the same mask, someone would look at someone else and be like, she looks so much better in that mask than I do.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (23:54)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (23:57)
And that's the that's the irony of all of it. Like the irony
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:01)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (24:02)
is we all want to be uniquely independent and individual, but you go to a clothing store, they don't just sell one pair of jeans. They sell the same pair of jeans in 86 different sizes because you're meant
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:14)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (24:15)
to have more of the same than you are different in sort of the global village, if you will.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:23)
Yeah.
And I think there's so many more things that unite us than there is that divide us, but we seem to like focusing on the things that divide us and make us different or
Margot Grant Witz (24:36)
Different. Yeah, because different if you're different
then I can I can t cut you down and not feel so bad about it.
My grandmother always says the Queen of England always
Sarah Jordan-Ross (24:46)
How nice would it
Margot Grant Witz (24:48)
used the toilet just like she did.
Like she's like she's no better than me. We we w we've all used the toilet. And when you're sort of like, Yeah, that's true, you know?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:01)
We all use the toilet, we all bleed the same colour, we we all cry. It's
Margot Grant Witz (25:04)
Yeah. We are so
some people just do a better job at hiding it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:14)
One
of the things I love about this show is that we get to admit that don't wanna hide it. Because
Margot Grant Witz (25:21)
Well, I don't think it does justice for anyone.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:23)
no. No that
Margot Grant Witz (25:25)
You know, I think
more people wanna feel connected, both positively and not gonna say negatively, but in your insecurities which feel so negative or feel so isolating or feel so traumatizing or feel so overwhelming. It's something that I always make the joke, I don't think anybody really leaves the pressure of high school. You know, we all feel
Sarah Jordan-Ross (25:50)
Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (25:51)
very clicky, we all feel very
Well, am I the cool kid today? Am I this? Am I that? And and you graduate. But all of those temptations, and it's only in high school, because in elementary school, everyone plays, everyone has a good time, no one worries about anything. And then all of a sudden this older generation happens and you and you say, I just wanna I always remember my first two weeks of high school, we would all look our best. Jeans, nice shirt, we did our hair.
All sorts of things. First two weeks so that we can make the best impression. And then week three, doesn't matter. You know who I am now, right? But it's that sort of peacock. You know, I want to just show off who I am and I want to dance my little tail feathers and shake the little mariachis and do the little jewels. And then I'm great. And everybody sees I'm a great dancer. You'll never see me dance again for the rest of the year, right? But you know it's just the glimpse.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:52)
Yeah. Those
Margot Grant Witz (26:53)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (26:53)
moments where we show who we really are.
Margot Grant Witz (26:56)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:01)
So many questions, so many things.
Margot Grant Witz (27:04)
I'm here for you. I am an open book. Anything you want to ask I I can try to answer. Might not be right, but I can try.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (27:13)
I think that's the thing. We don't have to have all the right answers to everything. Sometimes it's just knowing what questions to ask or asking better ones to get beyond that surface level. Now, part of me would love to hear a little bit more about your grandmother. Only that I find women of that generation absolutely fascinating and inspiring. They went through so
much
that that we haven't and we have so much to be grateful to them for. They broke down a lot of barriers. And sometimes I think they made things both easier for us and harder at the same time.
Because somewhere along the line of the you can work and you can be a mum and you can juggle all these balls and you can do it and make it look effortless. Or is it just me that was raised by a mum that made doing all that look like it was easy and now that I am one? It's not.
Margot Grant Witz (28:15)
I don't think they ever said it would be easy. I just
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:17)
No. They just made it look that way.
Margot Grant Witz (28:21)
definitely not. I just think they wanted to give you the option of a choice. Because if you have a choice, if you have an option, it's yours to make. But if you have no choice and you have no option, then you're always longing. So breaking down those walls, we're never saying or
breaking through the glass ceiling was never about saying, Well, now ladies, you can do it all. It was now, ladies, you can decide if you want to, right?
Sarah Jordan-Ross (28:51)
Yeah, you
can do it all if you want to or you can do not of none of it. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (28:54)
Yeah. And so for example,
when my grandmother started the company, women weren't meant to be in business. She was a makeup artist in Ellstreet Studios in London, England, and she suffered from
Sarah Jordan-Ross (29:04)
Oi. You heard me?
Margot Grant Witz (29:06)
bomb blast damage during World War Two from a V two rocket with shrapnel damage to the left side of her face. And all she wanted to do was go back to work. And all she wanted to do was look in the mirror and love what she saw.
And all she wanted to do was feel comfortable and confident in her skin, which is a universal generational truth. And my grandmother grew up in a household where her father passed away when she was seven. And her stepfather was not a nice man to her. And he would always tell her why she was not enough and not f anything, and she wasn't smart enough and not pretty enough. And she'd be lucky if anyone wanted to marry her. So she got this incredible job.
And she was stunning. She was like whiplash stunning. She still is, but she always used to tell me all the stories. And she she felt very good. And when she got that bomb blast image, it wasn't the sense of physically she was changed, because physically she was changed, but emotionally and internally, that brass ring that she was just about to get was completely ripped away from her.
Because she felt, how could I go back to work and make other people feel beautiful if I don't look beautiful? So she went on a mission to fix her skin. She went to her doctor's office every single day and she said, Hey doc, well, what can you do for me? And the doctor said, Nothing. And she'd say, Okay, I'll see you tomorrow. And she would go around tea time and she walked in and the doctor actually said, Listen, Lizzie, I gotta go actually deal with a patient. I'll be back.
And my grandmother, whose father passed away, she always believed was her guardian angel. She always said there was never a Vogue magazine in the doctor's office. And she sold books, medical journals, and what do you do when you're bored? You look. Well, I look. I'm curious, right? She opened up the book just randomly to her page and it said war wounds. And she said, Wait a second, I have a war wound. So she scribbled down the the word and she put it in her pocket. And then at that moment the doctor came, closed the book, and said,
Those words really too big for you. You wouldn't really understand. Come, let's have tea. And so the next day she went to her friend who was a chemist and she said, Do you know what this is? And he said, Of course I do. It's a substance that they use on the front lines of the war on soldiers who have been injured in the war on the way to the hospital to minimize damage. And my grandmother said, Would you mind making some for me? And her friend said, It's not gonna do anything for you. And my grandmother said, I didn't ask you your opinion. I asked you, will you do something for me?
And he said, okay, because he wanted to still be friends with my grandma. And he begrudgingly gave her a teeny tiny bottle, it was like this big, of this particular type of sea kelp that became our proprietary blend and ingredient called tericulum, which is a brand a blend of vitamins, nutrients, minerals, amino acids, and peptides. And it fixed her skin in about eight to ten months. She went back to work. She was working Miss Lee, Miss Vivian Lee, the actress from Gone with the Wind.
She wasn't the movie Gone with the Wind at this time. It was a different movie. And Ms. Lee looked at my grandmother and said, You have gorgeous looking skin. What do you use? And my grandmother, who just had this life-changing, altering injury, was like, I have a gorgeous looking skin. And she sheepishly went into her bag and gave her her little serum. She said, This is what I use. And much like today in film, but more so back then, based on the expense, they didn't film in continuity.
So about two, three weeks later, she came back and Miss Lee said, Well, where can I buy it? And my grandmother never missed a beach. She's like, I'll bring you some tomorrow. And she batched it in her bathtub. And she started to say, Maybe, you know, if I felt not comfortable in my skin, and Miss Lee, who is the most gorgeous woman in the world, doesn't feel comfortable or confident in her skin,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (32:59)
She was absolutely stunning.
Margot Grant Witz (33:02)
maybe, just maybe.
I have an idea that can help other women too. And so she launched the very first serum on the market ever in 1948, and that created this at-home serum market in the beauty industry. The next serum that came out from another company was in 1982. And so my grandmother used to always get her friends and she's like, I have a good idea of a business, and she would go.
And she would walk into stores and say, No, no, it's okay. And she one day she walked into Selfridges and she walked into the front door of Selfridges. She said, I'm here. Take my product. And they said, I think you want to go to the office. So she's like, Okay. She sort of walked on over with a little pep in her step, and she walked to this office, and these she said it was foreboding. Like this door was so over the top, and this big wood door, and she opened the door.
She these big giant wood desks with a secretary on either side. And she said, Hi, I I would love to sell my product with you. And those both secretaries sort of looked up, said, Do you have an appointment? She said, No, I didn't know I needed one. They said, Okay, give us your business card. My grandmother didn't have a business card, but she wasn't going to admit it. So she goes, I just ran out. Do you mind if I write down my information for you though?
They said, sure, no problem. And she said, also, by the way, I have the serum. And when you love this serum, give me a call. And again, a few weeks go by, she gets a call. And my grandmother had the largest counter in the center of Selfridges and the two biggest windows. Because my grandmother always said, other than sexual health, sexual education, sexual wellness, where no means no. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about that. Okay.
But at other aspects in life, in business, in life, in in conversations, a lot of the time no doesn't mean no. It just means maybe not right now. So if you hear no and you sort of shut the door in your own self, they might have not told you the full truth because they're they're busy. They don't have enough, they have enough stuff going on. They're not going to tell you this is the path for you. So my grandmother always said, if someone closes the door, go through a window. And that was her. And this is also to remember.
Her husband, my grandfather, technically legally owned the business. She didn't, because women weren't allowed to own the businesses. And he bankrupted her twice. And she rebuilt it each time. And when she retired, quote unquote, in 1992, when my grandfather passed away, she came to Canada. And this is where we immigrated from from South Africa. And my my grandmother looked at my mom, and my mom looked at my grandmother.
Remember, my grandmother and my mom are not related. It's mother-in-law and daughter-in-law. My mom said, Do you want to start the company again? And my grandmother said, Absolutely not. I'm old. I don't want to knock on doors. I'm done. But what was funny is my mom said, I s I know one day she will. And they were started to watch the shopping channel. And at the time the shopping channel was just, Hello, look at this item right here. It's a beautiful necklace. It's a picture of something. And we were fascinated by that because
One, South Africa, we had four channels. And two, no one was coming to our door to deliver anything. So the fact that there were they were multiple channels and you could buy things and they come to fascinating to us. And all of a sudden one day it went from stale, hi everyone, this is a wonderful photo. We love you so much. This is a great necklace, you should buy it. To real people. And my grandmother and mother sort of called each other, their phones canceled each other out because they're like, There are people, there are people. We should try this.
And my mom said, okay, I'm gonna go get a loan. This was in 1998 because we relaunched in 1999. And although you think in 1948, women had a hard time, in 1998, what almost 20 years ago, so 18 years ago, 27 banks said to my mother, sorry, we can't give you a loan because we do not believe in women in business. And only one bank turned to my mother and said,
We're gonna give you a $5,000 loan. And my mom said, That's all I need. Let's go. Even if you gave her a couple pennies, because she knew if she just had that little engine, she could figure out the next step. But you can't start the engine without gas in the tank. Right? So
Sarah Jordan-Ross (37:35)
Say it.
Margot Grant Witz (37:36)
when you're looking, so when I look at these two women, you're like, that's so wild to think because it wasn't so long ago. But we still, women are always kept smaller.
Women are always made to feel like, can you do it? Is it the right path? Why you? Right? And I say this, and I love this. And this is not to knock men. I have two sons. I have a husband. I love my I love my gentleman. But men could be like, I want to start beer cheese. And everyone's like, that's a great idea. Beer cheese sounds amazing. Or like, you're like, what is that? Like, what do you mean? But the confidence, the, the
The the banks writing chicks, yes, sir, you know? And it's only because they never hear no. And not just in general, ext i externally. Most people don't hear no internally either. Right? So when I look at these two women and I look at their path of eighty years of
having h have men sign for credit cards or own the bank accounts or do all the things. It's because they just felt in their soul that women were the greatest people on the face of the planet and they're unstoppable.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (38:56)
Yes, you want something done, give it to a busy woman. She will get it done.
Margot Grant Witz (38:59)
Give it to a busy woman. Or give it to a bored woman.
Or give it to like a woman who needs a puzzle. You know what mean? You can give anything to a woman. She'll be like, I got you. And if I don't got you, I got a friend who has you.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:12)
Yeah. I my mum used to say about most things, get the job, then figure out how to do
Margot Grant Witz (39:18)
Pick it out!
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:18)
it. And that most things were figure outable. She also had another of the we used to go for really long drives. And we'd get to an intersection and we'd just go left or right. And it didn't matter as long as we had a full tank of gas and we vaguely knew the way home and
the days of paper maps I could actually read one. So but yeah it was the we never actually get lost it's just sometimes we take the scenic route home. That's the it's like yeah
Margot Grant Witz (39:52)
Completely. It's it's good for your brain, it's good for your soul.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (39:57)
yeah we might not always get take the straight line to get places like your grandmother and your mother certainly didn't
Margot Grant Witz (40:05)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:07)
And I would guess you don't always either.
Margot Grant Witz (40:13)
I I've never understood why something can't happen. It just doesn't make any logical sense to me. Because logically everything can happen. I can't fly physically. Like I can't like fly, but I can hop in a plane. And I always tell my son, there's no such thing as can or can't. There's will or won't. And there's power in understanding that it's your choice. Now there's consequences with every choice you make, both positive and negative.
But the only thing you can't do is stop breathing and not pay taxes. Otherwise everything you physically can do and you can just figure it out in a different way.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (40:54)
There's always more than one way to get something done.
Margot Grant Witz (40:58)
Exactly.
What is it? There's always one way to c more than one way to crack an egg. Whatever the saying is, or cra sc boy, I I love my cat,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (41:02)
Skin a cat?
Margot Grant Witz (41:05)
so I don't really want to skin him. Maybe we'll just go crack
Sarah Jordan-Ross (41:08)
Mm.
Margot Grant Witz (41:08)
a nut. Well more than one way to crack a nut.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (41:11)
Yeah, that'll work
too.
So on that note, what gives you hope for the future?
Margot Grant Witz (41:23)
That's a loaded question.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (41:27)
I thought you liked those kind of questions.
Margot Grant Witz (41:26)
That's a loaded question. I
do, but bit like immediately you're sort of like, is there hope? Is there hope in the in the conversation of social media and AI and all of those? But I say what gives me hope for the future is hoping to let women know that not to be a crab in a bucket, that there's a place and a space for everyone.
That every woman has a beautiful crown. We just have to polish it each other. I think there's hope in having the rawness and the conversations today. I think it's less
Not to mean pun intended, but less taboo to talk about things. I think, for example, like I had an an IVF journey with my second child in a miscarriage just before I had him. And I'm so upfront about all of it, all the details, all the headaches, all of it, all just because I don't want women to be shrouded in the secrecy. And so if I hear someone having a challenge in that way.
Twist my arm to get involved. You know, twist my arm and I inject. I'm just like, hi, let's let's have a chat. And I actually had a chat with somebody the other day. She's like, I'm very overwhelmed right now. I'm like, I don't mean to overwhelm you, but I don't want you to feel that like something is broken with you. Because nothing is. And so I always joke, I might like the sound of my own voice, maybe a little bit too much once in a while, but I really do believe.
And just having great conversations with people, just being able to ask the question, being able to say hey, and then always listening to my late father's advice, which was, do you want me to listen or do you want my opinion? And I think that sentence is the most powerful and freeing sentence in the entire world. Because some people just want to complain, some people just want to be heard, some people just need a vent.
And some people actually do want your support. But I think when people are very, let me tell you what to do, number one, it's annoying on the other side. No one likes that. Like I I wouldn't like that if I'm like, let me tell you what to do. Does someone say I'd be like, thanks so much in the least polite way that I could. But also if I'm making a choice for you and it doesn't work out, you're gonna blame me.
And I think the lack of accountability with people is what makes things a little hopeless. But I think if people can stand in their discomfort and take ownership and take authority in their choices, it is very hopeful. And I think the more women sort of realize you are the conductor of your own symphony. You are the gr like, yes,
A man and a woman get together and there's baby. I g I get that aspect of it. But women are life. Women, that's why it's Mother Earth, Mother Nature. Like that's why the spirits and the di deities and the goddesses of life and war and knowledge and all of these powerful women. And I think when you sort of look at matriarchal societies throughout all the ages, you're able to recognize.
Hope isn't in the definitive. Hope is in the opportunity.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:12)
It's in taking that chance of
Margot Grant Witz (45:14)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:15)
doing something different and of being all that you truly are.
Margot Grant Witz (45:19)
Yeah,
or taking that chance to say, I'm not interested in that and I'm okay with the consequences of that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:27)
having those conversations. Like you said, for people to realize that they're not alone in their struggles.
Margot Grant Witz (45:35)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:36)
And like you I interject into that conversation sometimes too in the well one in
Margot Grant Witz (45:42)
It's it's it's not sometimes with me. It's all the time.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:47)
One in
Margot Grant Witz (45:46)
It's all the time.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:48)
four pregnancies ends in either a miscarriage or a stillbirth.
Margot Grant Witz (45:53)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (45:53)
That's an awful lot of women who've been through that experience and not talking about it doesn't make it better.
Margot Grant Witz (46:02)
Doesn't make it better. But also, for example, to say, do you know that 80% of miscarriages are based on sperm fragmentation, based on the male sperm? And no one says that. I mean, if you told women, by the way, just so you know, nothing is broken with your insides. It was actually your partner, but they didn't.
Do the motility test, they didn't do the fragmentation test, they didn't stop wearing tight boxers and riding bikes and sitting in hot tubs, right? Has nothing to do, right? And so I think when you sort of give the actual scientific data, and it's even crazier to me that all science and all medicine and all biology is studied on male.
blood, for example, or the seatbelt safety dummies are all male weights and male sizes.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (46:52)
Hard attacks.
Margot Grant Witz (46:53)
Heart attacks are men as well. I mean
Sarah Jordan-Ross (46:56)
And that they're
a leading cause of death for women, but all of the studies have been done on
Margot Grant Witz (46:59)
Women. Yeah, but totally different sizes.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (47:01)
men and we that we just our bodies are different and a sign of a heart attack in a woman is completely different to what it is in a man and like
All of the perimenopause things thankfully it's getting better now, but a lot of that hasn't been studied in detail because shock horror women's hormones complicate the picture. We can't
Margot Grant Witz (47:30)
not even that.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (47:31)
get a one size fits all when one size doesn't fit all. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (47:36)
But isn't that funny because you're not enough or you're too much? Like and
then at the same point, like women's health, that's silly. Who needs to look into that? It's it's all
Sarah Jordan-Ross (47:47)
We're only fifty
one percent of the population.
Margot Grant Witz (47:50)
It's also the reason why other the next generations of populations get born, right? So it it's I think women don't understand how exceptionally powerful they are, but I do also think that some women who think they understand how powerful they are lead into being aggressive and lead into being that dominating, overbearing energy. And so it's hard to be yourself, right?
It's also, for example, you look at teenagers. It's really hard to be a teenager today. And it,
Sarah Jordan-Ross (48:23)
I wouldn't want to be there.
Margot Grant Witz (48:24)
I would never want to be a teenager today. I would never want to be a teenager with the consistent, constant pressure and the keep up and the and the social media and the bullying and the peer pressure. But also at the same point, if you're telling a woman that she she just grin and bear it.
But you also don't give the space to have the conversations with the next generation. So many of these things can also be alleviated. So many of these aspects about bullying can also be alleviated because quite often when you're talking about the bully mentality, you're like, they're just a mean kid. Versus asking, why are you doing this? Like, why are you being mean to me? What about me makes you do this?
And it's so much more of what's lacking and what's longing than what's different. And I'll always say one of your best friends, your complete best friend in the entire world was once a stranger you said hello to. I feel the same way with difficult situations and bullies and mean people. It's are you okay? You know, like can we like can we just like strip aside this? Like I know what you're doing to me. And I'm like, it's not nice, but like
You know.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (49:45)
Because
that kind of meanness, it has to come from somewhere. And I know for me it's like if somebody is doing that, have they been on the receiving end of similar treatment?
Margot Grant Witz (49:57)
Hundred percent they have.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (49:59)
Are are they okay? Is there something going on with them that if you address that, then the troubling behavior, the the bullying would most likely stop because it's not filling a need anymore.
Margot Grant Witz (50:13)
Yeah. I always say if you can't change something in thirty seconds, don't mention it. And you know, my job as a mom is to raise great humans. My that's my job. My job is to hopefully equip them with the best skills and knowledge and all of that. But they'll learn that. But if I can make sure that they're good humans, I know they'll be okay.
Does mean the world is gonna be nicer to them. But being a better human and a good human, you'll find your life preservers everywhere.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (50:49)
Yes, you might just contribute to the world being nicer.
Margot Grant Witz (50:54)
Maybe. Or at least your little ecosystem or your community or your neighbors. Yeah. And then
Sarah Jordan-Ross (50:57)
Yes. Your little cat. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (51:00)
let that be the ripple for everything else.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (51:04)
So is there one little piece of wisdom you'd like to leave our audience with today?
Margot Grant Witz (51:11)
Yeah.
And it's I my apologies 'cause it kinda sounds crude. But it doesn't matter what's between your legs, it matters what's between your ears.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (51:22)
I like that.
Margot Grant Witz (51:24)
And anybody who says what only thing that matters is between your legs, leave the room. You know, just
Sarah Jordan-Ross (51:29)
No. Yeah.
Margot Grant Witz (51:32)
leave somewhere else because it really doesn't. It matters what's between your ears, it matters what's in your heart, and everything else is digestible, resolvable, achievable. It doesn't mean it's easy, it doesn't mean it's smooth, it doesn't mean it's clear, it doesn't mean it's without challenges.
But it everything, if you take the time to have healthy communication, healthy transparent communication without malice, everything that you want is achievable as long as you are making that choice, because it's what you want, versus what you think you're supposed to do.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (52:21)
That is a wonderful note for us to end on. But I do have one last little question for you.
Margot Grant Witz (52:29)
I love it.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (52:31)
Partly because I've so enjoyed this conversation. If anyone listening wanted to get in touch with you or know more about you, what's the best way for them to do that?
Margot Grant Witz (52:43)
So I do always like to explain this. So on any of our social media handles, so for example, me, I'm at Margaret Grantwitz, M-A-R-G-O-T, G-R-A-N-T-W-I-T-Z, or at E-G Skincare, which is our company, E-G S-K-I-N-C-A-R-E. We don't outsource overseas. So when you're messaging us, it's us.
And so I always say, we are an open book. You can talk to us. We're here. We talk to everyone. We love our community. And when I say our community, I mean like, yes, I have people who I sell skincare to, and I have for 80 years and counting, myself 20 years and counting, TV, 28 years and counting. But I know everybody on the other end. I know my Betty McLean and her husband her husband and their son Roy.
I know the Sandra Birches. I know the Jeff Thompsons. I know all of my people. And I know who they are. And I know everything about them because I've had the honor and privilege of them letting me get to know them. And so if anybody ever wants to talk to us, it's us. It's either me, it's Amanda, it's Tiffany. We love to chat. Love to celebrate your milestones. And
If you ever want any more information on Elizabeth Grant, you can head to Elizabeth Grant.com. And for your lovely listeners, if they want to, they can have Taboo Talk25 is a great discount code for any full price product. But we sell more than skincare. Because yes, we sell serums and we sell creams and we sell lotions and potions that make you look and feel great. But what we really do work on is creating a community.
of really great people who feel really amazing in their skin, who knows that they don't have to disappear over the age of forty.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (54:46)
Because these days forty's just getting started.
Margot Grant Witz (54:49)
It's just getting started and so is fifty and so is sixty
and so is seventy and so is eighty. And if you're blessed to live as long as my grandmother, so is that chapter.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (55:00)
And each chapter has its own wonderful things in it. And as I said at the start of our conversation, we might talk a little bit about skincare, but that was not what today was about. It was more about
Being who you are, being comfortable in your skin and sharing your magnificence with the world. And as Margot
Margot Grant Witz (55:21)
Yeah.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (55:22)
pointed out, we all are magnificent and we should share that with the world. So I want
Margot Grant Witz (55:29)
Or even just share it with yourself.
Sarah Jordan-Ross (55:35)
I want to thank everyone for joining us for another episode of Taboo Talk. So if today's conversation resonated with you, share it with someone who you think needs to hear it, who needs a little bit more encouragement to be comfortable in their own skin and to share their stories with the world.
Until next time, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and remember, your story matters, so share it, 'cause your story might be the one that changes someone else's life. Bye for now.